"Sleepwalking" and 'Without Remorse" FN Posted: Tue Sep 16 14:44:38 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Wrote 2 poems over the last 3 days. It actually started out as one poem (about my view on society) but since I kept adding stuff to it (and deleting a lot of it as well) it became too long to keep it in once piece. Since the verses tended to be either about my view on society and others a bit more about myself I decided to split it up. I guess you'll know what I'm trying to say once you've read them. Disclaimer: I know my poems are slipping back into the dark side of my mind lol but just in case my gf would ever read this: the 'you' in 'Without Remorse' is about everybody EXCEPT you so please don't hurt me :o)   FN Posted: Tue Sep 16 14:47:49 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     You can start to critisize... NOW   libra Posted: Tue Sep 16 15:05:04 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Hey Christophe, did you give your girlfriend the poem you wrote for her? How did she like it? if you don't mind me asking... I like those two poems too, you're very talented.   antartica Posted: Tue Sep 16 15:06:51 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     libra said: >Hey Christophe, did you give your girlfriend the poem you wrote for her? How did she like it? if you don't mind me asking... > >I like those two poems too, you're very talented. actually i'm more curious how did he present it! =P   FN Posted: Tue Sep 16 15:19:21 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     This is what I got her: *The poem I wrote her ("Dying Dreams") *A giant winnie the pooh *A little keyhanger-teddybear with a red shirt with a big C on it (she bought me the same bear but with a blue shirt with a T on it a few days before I went to get the winnie the pooh) *A me2you card with some random cliché stuff I wrote on it. I asked the girl in the store to put the keyhanger like a necklace around pooh's neck with a ribbon (the least she could do for that price lol). When I arrived at my dad's place Tina was already there so I told my brother to keep her busy and in the meanwhile I smuggled to pooh and other stuff to my room and put it in my closet with the envelope with the card and poem on his lap. I acted normal for I guess an hour or so and then asked her to help me put some stuff in my closet, and if she could check if I had some storage room left in it while I was supposingly getting the stuff together to put in it. So he walked up to my closet and opened it and found her present :o) She got a little hysterical but from the aftermath of it all I take it she was pleased with her presents. And so was I ;o)   antartica Posted: Tue Sep 16 15:21:57 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     heh heh... that's nice =))   Mesh Posted: Tue Sep 16 18:01:29 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Hey Christophe, I especially liked "sleep walking". If you were looking for constuructive critisism, I can give none. Sorry, but I just am not good at it.   Asswipe Posted: Tue Sep 16 20:47:17 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     you should stop rhyming your lines, it restrains your creativeness by forcing you to search for a shitty, most often cliched, pair. other then that, they arn't bad shots at the less intelligible beings out there. It helps you come across as pretty damn arrogant and narcisstic... so if that was your purpose, well done.   Mesh Posted: Wed Sep 17 00:32:46 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     It helps you come across as pretty damn arrogant and narcisstic... so if that was your purpose, well done. Dont forget, this is Christophe we are talking about.   FN Posted: Wed Sep 17 06:34:22 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     I am arrogant/selfish/narcistic. You should read my poem entitled 'Arrogant' :o)   momo Posted: Wed Sep 17 06:46:12 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Christophe said: >I am arrogant/selfish/narcistic. > what do you know? i think i found my long lost twin ... kudos to u christophe, u know who u are   iggy Posted: Wed Sep 17 14:56:39 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     whups, the above reply was mine stupid pasword manager screwed up   FN Posted: Wed Sep 17 18:05:21 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     If you're honest, everybody is like that, they just say they aren't.   libra Posted: Wed Sep 17 21:50:35 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Christophe said: >If you're honest, everybody is like that, they just say they aren't. i know i am, even though i try oh-so-hard not to be. But if you think about it, you have to be in order to sit down every night to a complete meal knowing that somewhere, probably pretty close, there is someone that doesnt get any dinner...   Asswipe Posted: Thu Sep 18 02:02:33 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     libra said: >Christophe said: >>If you're honest, everybody is like that, they just say they aren't. > >i know i am, even though i try oh-so-hard not to be. > >But if you think about it, you have to be in order to sit down every night to a complete meal knowing that somewhere, probably pretty close, there is someone that doesnt get any dinner... that is a sort of selfishness but does not include the arrogance and narcisism of el furor's poems. believing society is nothing but "ant-like masses" with "ignorance embedded way too deep", is a bit different then not walking around looking for homeless people to feed. Perhaps i didn't pick up on another message in the poem, but that's what i got. christophe, in "without remorse", what do you mean by "claiming victims / without remorse"? Something to do w/ emotions claiming you or are you still bent up on that bloodthirster thing?   FN Posted: Thu Sep 18 13:17:17 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     That bloodthirster thing were just some stories I liked, nothing more. The claiming victims without remorse can be interpreted in different ways, it's up to the person who reads it to fill in the blanks. And what else is humanity than an ant-like mass? And are you questioning the fact that there are a lot of ignorant people walking around?   Asswipe Posted: Thu Sep 18 17:15:57 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Christophe said: >That bloodthirster thing were just some stories I liked, nothing more. > > >The claiming victims without remorse can be interpreted in different ways, it's up to the person who reads it to fill in the blanks. I'm a believer in the idea that a poem or any sort of piece of writing is created by an author, who wrote whatever they wrote, for their reason and they wrote it and expressed it to others in attempt to get their message out to whoever reads it. I've no idea what that line means and in attempt to better figure out the meaning of the poem I'm asking what your meaning is behind those lines. If you're not gonna help me out then perhaps one of the above posters who gave their stamp of approval to christophe's work could lend me a hand? >And what else is humanity than an ant-like mass? Humanity is a collective term signifying a group of individuals. Individuals who, some of which could be described so creatively as "sheeplike" who are just herded along, while others who stand out and make a difference. People like Plato, Einstein, Newton and the millions of others out there who made a huge difference in the future steps taken by the rest of the world. Life is all we know of and because of that it is very important. > >And are you questioning the fact that there are a lot of ignorant people walking around? Yes, there are dumbasses out there, but everyone is ignorant. By using the term "they" when describing these people you are alleviating yourself from the rest of humanity. All i'm saying is you're not that special. I'm only nitpicking on it because you said this view is your's on all of society, and not just the large group of, extremely dumb, asses out there.   addi Posted: Thu Sep 18 18:03:43 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Oh good..an intelligent dialogue going. Time to add my two bits. >Yes, there are dumbasses out there, but everyone is ignorant. By using the term "they" when describing these people you are alleviating yourself from the rest of humanity. Just wanted to embellish on Asswipes words. I agree, Everyone IS ignorant. Yes, Everyone. If you fall into the category of homo sapien then this includes you (I believe that applies to most of the GTer's here). Having said that though not everyone is one is equally stupid. We're all scattered somewhere along the spectrum of stupid at one end, to extremely stupid at the other end. So to defend Christophe, and others, who may be percieved as arrogant, they believe that they are smarter (or less stupid) than the "masses" of people they see following the herd mentality. And they may be right. I haven't seen anything posted by Christophe to make me think otherwise. To argue against them I would say that if you believe you are wise and all others are fools, then it does nothing more than demonstrate your real ignorance, and places you further down the scale closer to extremely stupid. "Arrogance is the mask of the insecure." Addi   addi Posted: Thu Sep 18 18:17:36 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     >u know who u are Question: Is it possible to be confident and secure "knowing who you are" without being arrogant about it at the same time? Or does "knowing who you are" require arrogance?   jennemmer Posted: Thu Sep 18 23:05:35 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     addison said: > >>u know who u are > >Question: Is it possible to be confident and secure "knowing who you are" without being arrogant about it at the same time? Or does "knowing who you are" require arrogance? Sorry to get nitpicky already but... it depends on what qualifies as arrogance. To believe in yourself enough to be confident requires that you believe you are worth believing in and there's a certain amount of ego involved in that. Is that arrogance? I don't know, though it's a fine line at least. Probably worse than a touch of arrogance however are people who try to hide their arrogance in self martyrdom. "See my wonderful selflessness! Watch as I humbly provide help to those in need (only while others watch...)". A little arrogance I can handle, blatant hypocrisy drives me crazy.   iggy Posted: Fri Sep 19 01:47:10 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     it depends on how u look at the term knowing yourself. u can go in classifications, freudian theories and all. i'm a simple person, and i will just use my layman terms. u may say well, i'm young, i got a long way to go so how can u say i know who i am? so wat? age is not a factor in knowing yourself. i know myself... well in fact. i've spent 27 years screwing up and trying to make up for all the mistakes. and i've learnt a great deal in life. still learning. i call itself acceptance and quiet confidence. i know what my flaws are and i'm not afraid to admit them. they're there and i won't hide behind some mask. u can't fool everyone all the time. i'm not a nice guy, so wat? that's me. i won't tell u bullshit lies so that anyone will think better of me. i say it as it is. when i get pissed off, i tell u straight in your face. some of u dudes in GT should know that by now. i know my strengths too but i dun do nothing to proclaim to the world. if they know, they know. if they don't well that's none of my business. that's knowing yourself. so is that arrogance? :) ~lol all that bullshit crap abt defining yourself, style, likes, wants are all just marketing and statistical bullshit. everyone is different, u can't classify anyone. so if someone in here tell me this is who i am, who am i to say otherwise? christophe says that he is arrogant, narcisstic, selfish. but that's not the end of it isn't it? there are many sides of him that he don;'t say but u see thru his posts. at least he is not trying to make up a false personality here to please the world. that takes courage and a whole deal of knowing thyself to do. as popeye the sailor man once said "i yam who i yam" later.   addi Posted: Fri Sep 19 08:16:36 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     chanz said: >u may say well, i'm young, i got a long way to go so how can u say i know who i am? >so wat? age is not a factor in knowing yourself. You're right here. I will add though that "knowing yourself" is not a static thing that you just discover one day and that's it. It's a lifelong process that changes over the years. I would say that I knew myself when I was 27 years old. I would also say that 20 years later who I am has changed in significant ways from when I was 27. God willing 20 years from now I'll look back and see that who addi is has evolved even more. It doesn't mean I didn't really know who I was when I was younger, but that I realize "who I am" is constantly in motion, so to speak. >i call itself acceptance and quiet confidence. That was my point in asking the question. My opinion is that it's possible to "know who u are" and not have an aire of arrogance tagging along. Just as one example Mother Teresa comes to mind, a very strong willed person. She definately had an acceptance and quiet confidence about who she was. Nobody in their right mind would have accused her of being arrogant. >i'm not a nice guy, so wat? that's me. I don't think the above statement is true. momo and ant wouldn't hang with you if you were. How's this for being candid? I think my posts just rub you the wrong way sometimes. But that's okay...it's who I am. lol! >christophe says that he is arrogant, narcisstic, selfish. >but that's not the end of it isn't it? >there are many sides of him that he don;'t say but u see thru his posts. That's very true. Christophe is much more than that, and I've even stated that in previous posts. Anyone reading his past posts and MyGT writing should see that. I don't remember ever stating that that was all he was. >at least he is not trying to make up a false personality here to please the world. Anyone in particular you had in mind here? :) >as popeye the sailor man once said "i yam who i yam" I always see two sides to everything (it's an obnoxious personality trait). I respect people who say, "this is who I am. take it or leave it." On the other hand I don't respect people who say, "This is who I am. Take it or leave it, AND I'm never going to try and make myself a better person and work on strenghening my weaknesses." There's a huge difference between the two mindsets. Accepting who I am, warts and all, doesn't mean that I have to be content with keeping those "warts". Part of being content with who Addison is means that I see the need to try and improve who I am. Not because someone on GT said I needed to, but because I personaly wouldn't be content accepting those weaknesses without attempting to work on them. Hope all this rambling on made some sense.   Asswipe Posted: Tue Sep 23 00:20:16 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     addison said: > >>u know who u are > >Question: Is it possible to be confident and secure "knowing who you are" without being arrogant about it at the same time? Or does "knowing who you are" require arrogance? > no, i don't think having confidence in oneself comes from arrogance. Confidence is knowing that you can live your life as you choose to live it. It's not believing yourself to be superior to others.   iggy Posted: Tue Sep 23 01:14:42 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     Asswipe said: >addison said: >> >>>u know who u are >> >>Question: Is it possible to be confident and secure "knowing who you are" without being arrogant about it at the same time? Or does "knowing who you are" require arrogance? >> > >no, i don't think having confidence in oneself comes from arrogance. Confidence is knowing that you can live your life as you choose to live it. It's not believing yourself to be superior to others. i once read somewhere that style is wearing whatever u like and not giving a damn about what others think. i believe confidence is like that too. agreed asswipe agreed   FN Posted: Tue Sep 23 17:14:13 2003 Post | Quote in Reply     The way I intended the 'claiming victims without remorse' part is that the victims are my emotions, which become more numb over time.   [ Reply to this thread ] [ Start new thread ]