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addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 07:21:06 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Well..it's official. Confirms my suspicions of natives of that bizarre state (libra excluded). Sad thing is is that I'd be willing to bet that if this had been a national recall election Arnold probably still would have won.
Don't misinterpret me, I love my country, but it's no wonder people from other countries look at us now and smirk. :(

Abraham Lincoln is rolling over in his grave


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 08:40:18 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  blah, blah, blah, they said the same things when reagan was elected.
this was certainly democracy in action, and who gives a shit what other countries smirk about us or not, the best and brightest in all those countries are still trying to come here by the millions every year.


 
zander83 Posted: Wed Oct 8 09:32:23 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  How was this democracy in action. People misinterpret democracy as meaning they have a say in every decision. Thats not it, not the democracy defined by most constitutions. What was meant by most democracies was a person elected by popular vote to make state decisions in the place of the average person so that we wouldn`t have to make every decision. Recalls were to be used for corrupt government. Deficits are not a sign of corrupt government. And if they are why aren`t we recalling Bush exactly. If californians don`t want a deficit pay taxes or cut expenses, you don`t need to recall to do that.


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 09:43:40 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>blah, blah, blah, they said the same things when reagan was elected.

And 8 years as Prez all my deepest fears had been realized with him. Contras, out of control deficit, supply side econ., etc., etc..., but "America felt good about itself again", so I guess that justified it all. Reagan was a master at spin and PR... the only two semi- positive things I can think up to say about the man. Arnold has no business being the leader of that state. He won because people hated Davis, and because of his movie persona. Hardly a justifiable reason to become Gov. I'm just adding his name to my growing list of morons that the American voters put into office, right under the Bush boys.

*and there has and will always be people who "smirk" at us. But when that percentage reaches the vast majority of the world's nations I believe it's time to take your head out of the sand and do a little soul searching. And please don't respond by telling me that the vast majority of the world agrees with this admistrations foreign policy,
that's it's only the stupid europeans and arab nations. Dubya has backed us up into a corner and now, despite his recent turn around with the UN, we're stuck (mostly alone) to deal with the mess.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 10:19:44 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  and i say reagan was probably one of the top 5 presidents this nation ever had.
and you don't have the slightest idea of how well arnold will govern california, you can only guess and i already see the democrats and liberals hoping he will fail rather than rooting for the people of that state to succeed.
i certainly have no idea how he will do, but i certainly hope he succeeds.
and not because he is a republican, because he is a republican in name only.
in truth he is a conservative democrat.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 10:20:52 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  zander83 said:
>How was this democracy in action. People misinterpret democracy as meaning they have a say in every decision. Thats not it, not the democracy defined by most constitutions. What was meant by most democracies was a person elected by popular vote to make state decisions in the place of the average person so that we wouldn`t have to make every decision. Recalls were to be used for corrupt government. Deficits are not a sign of corrupt government. And if they are why aren`t we recalling Bush exactly. If californians don`t want a deficit pay taxes or cut expenses, you don`t need to recall to do that.

ummm, this was written into the constitution, that's how . . .


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 11:23:10 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>and i say reagan was probably one of the top 5 presidents this nation ever had.

I know I dissed one of your heros here. Nothing personal as always just a significant difference of opinion on the man.

>and you don't have the slightest idea of how well arnold will govern california,

Let's say a fight is set up between Arnold and Mini Me. You're correct, untill it actually takes place I can't say for certain what the outcome will be, just like I can't say "for certain" how Arnold will turn out as a Gov. However in my fight example I don't think it's a stretch to predict that arnold would squash the poor lil guy into mini me juice in about 2 seconds, just like I don't consider it a stretch, based on his personal track record (or lack thereof), past voting record, and who he has chosen to associate with, to "predict" that he will ultimately be a bust as a gov. (of course one mans bust is another mans savior...see Reagan)
We are voting too many politicians into office that are essentialy fluff without substance, image without intellect. I don't blame Arnold for running. I blame the voters for making it a reality.


 
libra Posted: Wed Oct 8 11:29:17 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  *crying*

zander's right. our state was not in enough trouble in order to get rid of Davis. I still can't believe what happened. Really. I really cannot comprehend these people who voted for him. What the hell were they thinking!? And me not being able to vote...so awful.

I fear what is going to happen. It's not arnold who will be the govorner though, its the men behind him that tell him what to do. How can these republicans call for a recall because of a deficit. Republicans are notorious for sinking the entire country into deficit.

I used to like California. I used to think it was different from a lot of other states, that it was special because it was so diverse, so liberal, so un-American. But this has pushed me to think the opposite. I have no faith in this state anymore.


 
FN Posted: Wed Oct 8 12:44:54 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>Well..it's official. Confirms my suspicions of natives of that bizarre state (libra excluded). Sad thing is is that I'd be willing to bet that if this had been a national recall election Arnold probably still would have won.
>Don't misinterpret me, I love my country, but it's no wonder people from other countries look at us now and smirk. :(
>
>Abraham Lincoln is rolling over in his grave


I can assure you that we're all laughing our asses off :oD


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 13:02:44 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>
>I can assure you that we're all laughing our asses off :oD


Don't laugh your ass totally off. Guys without asses look funny! My black co-workers are always saying to me, "Addi, What happin' to you white ass!" lol

Ouch... that was a bad one.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 13:09:24 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>*crying*
>
>zander's right. our state was not in enough trouble in order to get rid of Davis. I still can't believe what happened. Really. I really cannot comprehend these people who voted for him. What the hell were they thinking!? And me not being able to vote...so awful.
>
>I fear what is going to happen. It's not arnold who will be the govorner though, its the men behind him that tell him what to do. How can these republicans call for a recall because of a deficit. Republicans are notorious for sinking the entire country into deficit.
>
>I used to like California. I used to think it was different from a lot of other states, that it was special because it was so diverse, so liberal, so un-American. But this has pushed me to think the opposite. I have no faith in this state anymore.

you can't blame this one on the republicans, it took a helluva lot of registered democrats and independents to make the landslide he won with.


 
Asswipe Posted: Wed Oct 8 15:02:53 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  zander83 said:
>How was this democracy in action. People misinterpret democracy as meaning they have a say in every decision. Thats not it, not the democracy defined by most constitutions. What was meant by most democracies was a person elected by popular vote to make state decisions in the place of the average person so that we wouldn`t have to make every decision.

actually, if you bust out the good old dictionary it'll tell you that the representative form of democracy that you're speaking of, is actually called a republic, which is more a form of aristocracy then a democracy.

I think it's funny that arnold won this shite but i've no idea on his beliefs, abilities or even what the hell a governor does.


 
FN Posted: Wed Oct 8 15:09:19 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Seems to me that the american public likes the verbally challenged.

Koff for president!


 
zander83 Posted: Wed Oct 8 15:31:14 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  no one has yet responded to the fact that if deficits is a reason to recall why isn`t bush getting recalled?


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 15:43:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  no one actually said deficits were a reason for the recall.


 
marsteller Posted: Wed Oct 8 16:43:33 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Arnold's my hero. I live in New York and im not registered to vote, but if i lived in cali i'd have been damn sure to get myself registered to vote for arnie.


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:09:53 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:

>Koff for president!

I was just channeling Koff. This is his response:

>Koff
>FUCK Amerika!! I piss on thim. Piss pis


*okay I'm back to addison again. Wow that was scarey



 
SntSaturn Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:10:12 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:
>Arnold's my hero. I live in New York and im not registered to vote, but if i lived in cali i'd have been damn sure to get myself registered to vote for arnie.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Arnold is my hero, but had I been voting in California I would have added to the numbers voting for him.


 
FN Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:19:18 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  He fought his way to the top through some hard competition though.


A midget and a pornstar are treacherous rivals when it comes to intellectual debates.


 
FN Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:20:32 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  It seemed more like a freakshow to me lol.


Oh well, I had a (couple of) very good laugh(s) about this subject, and still having them; and since it won't affect me the only thing I can do is keep on smiling because of it lol.


 
libra Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:23:12 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>It seemed more like a freakshow to me lol.
>
>
>Oh well, I had a (couple of) very good laugh(s) about this subject, and still having them; and since it won't affect me the only thing I can do is keep on smiling because of it lol.

it was a freakshow. And I would be laughing too, if it wasnt my own state...


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 8 17:43:37 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:

>
>it was a freakshow. And I would be laughing too, if it wasnt my own state...

Here's a happy thought. Arnold for President in 2008. Don't say it can't happen (it already has). The guy likes power. You think he's gonna be satisfied with governor? If that happens then it will affect all of us, including Belgians, on matters of foreign policy. There's no accounting for the whims of American voters. Not so funny anymore?


 
baristapro Posted: Wed Oct 8 18:37:33 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I wanted Gary Coleman to win. He was on the Simpsons once.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 8 19:02:26 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>libra said:
>
>>
>>it was a freakshow. And I would be laughing too, if it wasnt my own state...
>
>Here's a happy thought. Arnold for President in 2008. Don't say it can't happen (it already has). The guy likes power. You think he's gonna be satisfied with governor? If that happens then it will affect all of us, including Belgians, on matters of foreign policy. There's no accounting for the whims of American voters. Not so funny anymore?

umm, that would require an amendment to the constitution dude. can't happen.


 
libra Posted: Wed Oct 8 21:33:47 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>addison said:
>>libra said:
>>
>>>
>>>it was a freakshow. And I would be laughing too, if it wasnt my own state...
>>
>>Here's a happy thought. Arnold for President in 2008. Don't say it can't happen (it already has). The guy likes power. You think he's gonna be satisfied with governor? If that happens then it will affect all of us, including Belgians, on matters of foreign policy. There's no accounting for the whims of American voters. Not so funny anymore?
>
>umm, that would require an amendment to the constitution dude. can't happen.


thank god!!!


 
Mesh Posted: Wed Oct 8 23:11:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hypocrite said:
>I wanted Gary Coleman to win. He was on the Simpsons once.


Well, I was going for Mary Carey. Her economic agenda was GREAT. oh, and her idea for california energy problems, brilliant. and, boy, what a good plan for education and helping the kids :P



*Hoping they dont see right throuhg this big fat lie*


 
addi Posted: Thu Oct 9 07:14:22 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>
>umm, that would require an amendment to the constitution dude. can't happen.

Never say "can't happen" when it comes to American politics. I am aware of the natural born citizen requirement in our constitution. There's been 27 amendments to our constitution. What makes you absolutely positive that there couldn't be a 28th under the "right" political climate? This is what I know can happen;If a significant percentage of the voting public want Arnold to run in the future then that requirement will be challenged (successfully or not). To say "can't happen" is to ignore all the can't happens that HAVE happened in our political history. Something to put in your El Kabong and think about. :)


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Oct 9 10:35:18 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>
>>umm, that would require an amendment to the constitution dude. can't happen.
>
>Never say "can't happen" when it comes to American politics. I am aware of the natural born citizen requirement in our constitution. There's been 27 amendments to our constitution. What makes you absolutely positive that there couldn't be a 28th under the "right" political climate? This is what I know can happen;If a significant percentage of the voting public want Arnold to run in the future then that requirement will be challenged (successfully or not). To say "can't happen" is to ignore all the can't happens that HAVE happened in our political history. Something to put in your El Kabong and think about. :)

ok, then i will go on record saying that it WILL NOT happen. at least not for arnold. his popularity in california will not carry over to the rest of the country, at least not enough to get an ammendment to the constitution.
hell, i'll even go as far as to bet one of hypocrite's nipple rings on it.


 
FN Posted: Thu Oct 9 11:04:04 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The world is saved.


 
libra Posted: Thu Oct 9 13:03:36 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i have a friend who has her nipples pierced


 
addi Posted: Thu Oct 9 13:21:38 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>i have a friend who has her nipples pierced


I don't know why, but this is really funny! Libra, you are a hoot!

Going from Arnold to pierced nipples. What's next?


 
libra Posted: Thu Oct 9 14:00:33 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>libra said:
>>i have a friend who has her nipples pierced
>
>
>I don't know why, but this is really funny! Libra, you are a hoot!
>
>Going from Arnold to pierced nipples. What's next?

i have a tendency to wander from topic to topic...they're all interconnected in my mind...hif's betting hypocrite's nipple rings reminded me of it...


 
Mesh Posted: Thu Oct 9 15:33:05 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>
>>umm, that would require an amendment to the constitution dude. can't happen.
>
>Never say "can't happen" when it comes to American politics. I am aware of the natural born citizen requirement in our constitution. There's been 27 amendments to our constitution. What makes you absolutely positive that there couldn't be a 28th under the "right" political climate? This is what I know can happen;If a significant percentage of the voting public want Arnold to run in the future then that requirement will be challenged (successfully or not). To say "can't happen" is to ignore all the can't happens that HAVE happened in our political history. Something to put in your El Kabong and think about. :)


Actually, i just see on this morning in the news about a couple of senators talking about making a proposel for to change the constitution. Of course, they were just talking, and even if a proposel it gets made, doesnt mean it would be accepted, and if accpeted, it would take a long time to amend constition, long past 2004 election, maybe even past 2008 election.


 
Mesh Posted: Thu Oct 9 15:34:23 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>i have a friend who has her nipples pierced

haha, pretty random. you make me laugh libra


 
antartica Posted: Thu Oct 9 16:17:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>i have a friend who has her nipples pierced

oooohhh.... any pictures? =P

arnie's now where he is... but be glad he cannot run for president ya?


 



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