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libra Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:04:15 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  hello!
I'm writing about censorship in public schools for my term paper in english and my teacher suggested i mention in the intro about Plato's views on censorship...but i havent read any Plato...if anyone would like to give me a little background on what plato thought or stressed, or could point out a particular place in Republic that i should look, i'd greatly appreciate it!

Thanks!


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:22:32 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  wasn't he that cartoon dog ?


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:22:35 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  wasn't he that cartoon dog ?


 
Aeon Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:25:50 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://www.blakebailey.com/plato.html


 
Aeon Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:26:08 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://www.trenchant.org/stuff/writings/plato.html


 
Aeon Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:28:57 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Plato%27s+Views+of+Censorship&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3Da849967ba1f7ee6a%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D3%26amp%3BuserQuery%3DPlato%2527s%2BViews%2Bof%2BCensorship%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freeessays.cc%252Fdb%252F18%252Fesv60.shtml%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPTop&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freeessays.cc%2Fdb%2F18%2Fesv60.shtml


 
socialyD Posted: Thu Dec 4 18:51:37 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  His views on cencorship are expressed in Book III of 'The Republic' which is titled 'The Arts in Education'. Hope that helps!


 
libra Posted: Thu Dec 4 19:53:55 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  thanks you guys! its a big help!




 
sweet p Posted: Thu Dec 4 20:48:42 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Plato's ideas on censorship involve controling the "story tellers" and a lot of ideas on imitation. He focuses a lot on fashioning the minds of the young.

It is strange because he talks much about how the young cannot distinguish between the allegorical and non-allegorical stories told and that these first stories they are told can create opinions and ideas that will never change, so it's important that the early stories they are told are "well told and dispose them to virtue"...
BUT he then continues to say that it may be essential to tell false stories to turn them away from the bad things in life.

Really, I think he is saying that it is not good to expose them to bad, yet he believes exposing them to lies can be noble....it becomes a little tricky.

But I guess if you want to steer clear of those complications, focus more on his ideas of imitation [I think most of that is in Book III like socialyD said] and it's all about how the young really pick up on what goes on around them and this may stick with them and become a part of their nature.


 
Lost_Soul Posted: Fri Dec 5 05:56:46 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I think that makes sense, though, that telling lies can make some one that is impressionable better.. It seems to me that sometimes the right thing to do isnt always the right thing.. Just my thoughts, I havent really read much of plato but I read Machavelli alot and he explains somewhat of manipulating people by controling what they know. It may not be the right way to teach someone but if it helps to make someone better.....


 
sweet p Posted: Fri Dec 5 13:32:39 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Lost_Soul said:
>It seems to me that sometimes the right thing to do isnt always the right thing...

Oh yes, I definitely agree with that.

I think though, that someone writing a paper on just a portion of Plato's works might miss that point and I have a few profs I know that would want to make sure I can justify for Plato how lying can indeed be "noble" in a situation where you are protecting the young from the bad things in the world and discussing what the "gods" would accept and not accept.


 
antartica Posted: Fri Dec 5 15:38:30 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  in my current state *hic* ... the onli thing i can remember about Plato is

"among all wild beasts, BOY is the most difficult to tame..."


 
addi Posted: Fri Dec 5 16:44:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I believe you misquoted Plato

"among all wild beasts, Ian is the most difficult to tame..."

I was a philosophy major and I've long forgotten just about everything I was taught except a line from one of the greatest philosophers of all time...

"I remember just enough philosophy to screw me up for the rest of my life"
Steve Martin


 



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