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Do You Think It's True?
novemberrain Posted: Sun Dec 14 08:14:47 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  So I heard on the radio this morning while driving to work that they think they have captured Saddam. Thoughts? Comments? Do you think it is true?

(this is my first thread:)


 
addi Posted: Sun Dec 14 08:24:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  novrain said:

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>(this is my first thread:)

Haven't heard a thing about it here yet.
Congratulations on your first! No longer a posting virgin, eh? Hope it was good for you. I'd suggest having a cigarette, but never mind... : )


 
novemberrain Posted: Sun Dec 14 08:29:51 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>novrain said:
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>>(this is my first thread:)
>
>Haven't heard a thing about it here yet.
>Congratulations on your first! No longer a posting virgin, eh? Hope it was good for you. I'd suggest having a cigarette, but never mind... : )

hehe. thanks, addison. It was great for me:)


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sun Dec 14 08:54:58 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  it's true


 
JAZER Posted: Sun Dec 14 10:06:56 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Seems to be true. Ah what a great day for the Bush Family.


 
Mesh Posted: Sun Dec 14 15:36:51 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Its seem to be one hundred percent the truth.


 
sweet p Posted: Sun Dec 14 15:38:44 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah, definitely true.


 
FN Posted: Sun Dec 14 16:48:20 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  1 down, 2 to go (Osama and WMD's).


Btw, I seriously doubt that this will make any change at all.

"We got 'em". I'd expect some more mature speeches from a government. US government seems to be lowering it's standars the past few years though.

Also, I wonder if anybody saw that fool who made a total ass out of himself when the spokesperson said that? He was yelling and making the v-sign and what not. How low can you go, and that in front of the whole world. I mean ok I can understand that he's a bit hyped about it if he cares and thinks it will make a change and so on but it was like now the world would be turned into a utopia for all except the dreaded terrorists.

Just my opinion, come and get me hif ;o)


 
libra Posted: Sun Dec 14 22:41:19 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yea, i guess its true...the events seem like something out of a movie. Its strange, I can't seem to find a reaction to all of this in myself, I don't know whether i'm just so self centered that I don't care(i hope not) or that I'm just waiting to see what happens next.


 
bluellama Posted: Sun Dec 14 23:46:00 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Yeah, we all know it's true, but it really won't change much at all. We had run him into a hole in the ground, he couldn't have been running any operations out of it. He became powerless, and yet the violence continued and will continue. Our (I say our because I am a stupid american and slightly proud of it) main goal was to get the weapons of mass destruction, and obviously he is not one of them. And still after months and months of searching, there is no evidence of the WMD's. I am glad Saddam has been captured, he is a tyrant, but I think Dubya's goals with the "war on terrorism" were to make his daddy proud and catch that bastard, rather than keeping peace in Iraq. I do think we are helping out, but it really isn't our place and it could have been handled in a much improved way.


 
dan632 Posted: Mon Dec 15 00:01:19 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  kill him!! kill that fucker!! i say we give him one hit in the face with a shovel for every person he killed, then when he is battered to shit throw him head first into a whole in the ground, and inject him with some crazy nerve gas like they used in that move The Rock


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 06:59:26 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>1 down, 2 to go (Osama and WMD's).
>
>
>Btw, I seriously doubt that this will make any change at all.
>
>"We got 'em". I'd expect some more mature speeches from a government. US government seems to be lowering it's standars the past few years though.
>
>Also, I wonder if anybody saw that fool who made a total ass out of himself when the spokesperson said that? He was yelling and making the v-sign and what not. How low can you go, and that in front of the whole world. I mean ok I can understand that he's a bit hyped about it if he cares and thinks it will make a change and so on but it was like now the world would be turned into a utopia for all except the dreaded terrorists.
>
>Just my opinion, come and get me hif ;o)

ok, so this guy has been living in the dirt for almost a year, coming into daily contact with victims of saddams atrocities. he has seen and heard things you will never have to endure. he has listened to stories about tortue and rape first-hand. he has spent the last 6 months sleeping during the day and staying up all night searching relentlessly for this bastard, seeing the world only thru night vision goggles. he is a soldier, not a politician. my question to you is, how could he not cheer ?


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 08:15:06 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  by the way, that guy that was cheering and making the v-sign was a member of the iraqi media, hardly making a fool of himself.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 08:54:56 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>by the way, that guy that was cheering and making the v-sign was a member of the iraqi media, hardly making a fool of himself.

Talk about kissing ass.


Anyway, I doubt that the spokesperson himself will have lived in the mud for over a year.

Has anybody seen the movie called 'Starship Troopers'?

When I saw the images of saddam I couldn't help but think of that movie when they captured that brainbug and the media-coverage surrounding it.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 09:43:44 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>by the way, that guy that was cheering and making the v-sign was a member of the iraqi media, hardly making a fool of himself.
>
>Talk about kissing ass.
>
I don't understand, how is that kissing ass ?




 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 09:56:00 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  If saddam had won he'd probably have done the same, no matter who was in front of him.


There's also a difference between showing gratitude and acting like a little kid who was rescued by his daddy.


An immature show on the whole in my opinion.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 10:13:05 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>If saddam had won he'd probably have done the same, no matter who was in front of him.
>
>
>There's also a difference between showing gratitude and acting like a little kid who was rescued by his daddy.
>
>
>An immature show on the whole in my opinion.

????????????????????
I still don't understand what you're talking about.
a guy that suffered under saddams regime cheers when he is captured and you consider that to be immature, and almost in the same breath you want to talk about"stormship troopers" ?
give me a break !


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:13:20 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>Christophe said:
>>If saddam had won he'd probably have done the same, no matter who was in front of him.
>>
>>
>>There's also a difference between showing gratitude and acting like a little kid who was rescued by his daddy.
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>>
>>An immature show on the whole in my opinion.
>
>????????????????????
>I still don't understand what you're talking about.
>a guy that suffered under saddams regime cheers when he is captured and you consider that to be immature, and almost in the same breath you want to talk about"stormship troopers" ?
>give me a break !


Starship troopers, and since you probably haven't seen the movie since you don't spell it right, you don't know what scene I'm talking about so I don't think you can say anything about it...


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:26:54 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>Christophe said:
>>>If saddam had won he'd probably have done the same, no matter who was in front of him.
>>>
>>>
>>>There's also a difference between showing gratitude and acting like a little kid who was rescued by his daddy.
>>>
>>>
>>>An immature show on the whole in my opinion.
>>
>>????????????????????
>>I still don't understand what you're talking about.
>>a guy that suffered under saddams regime cheers when he is captured and you consider that to be immature, and almost in the same breath you want to talk about"stormship troopers" ?
>>give me a break !
>
>
>Starship troopers, and since you probably haven't seen the movie since you don't spell it right, you don't know what scene I'm talking about so I don't think you can say anything about it...

Actually, I think I did rent that one.
Isn't that the one where they were fighting giant insects on a distant planet ?
If that's the one you were talking about, I was somewhat underwhelmed. I've seen way too many of those shoot-em-ups.


 
Mesh Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:28:14 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christian decorations were found in the hut he was staying in.......


 
bluellama Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:43:30 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  meshuggah said:
>Christian decorations were found in the hut he was staying in.......

Wow, I had no idea. If that is true, that is just crazy. I also find it odd that he didn't kill himself. Most evil dictators of his type (because they are so run of the mill), or anyone that is sought for capture, would be more likely to shoot themselves rather than face punishment, enprisonment, and tourture, but he didn't. It is just perplexing to me.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:44:35 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>Actually, I think I did rent that one.
>Isn't that the one where they were fighting giant insects on a distant planet ?
>If that's the one you were talking about, I was somewhat underwhelmed. I've seen way too many of those shoot-em-ups.


Yes, that one.

I'm not talking about the movie itself I'm just talking about those last few scenes when they just captured that big bug which sucked the guy's brains out.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:45:38 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I question the fact that they proclaim to have DNA tests so quickly.

As far as I know that takes at least 2 or 3 days if they speed things up.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:51:59 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>I question the fact that they proclaim to have DNA tests so quickly.
>
>As far as I know that takes at least 2 or 3 days if they speed things up.

there have been no dna claims yet. where are you seeing this ?
i didn't think they could even do it in 2 or 3 days.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 11:54:55 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>Christophe said:
>>I question the fact that they proclaim to have DNA tests so quickly.
>>
>>As far as I know that takes at least 2 or 3 days if they speed things up.
>
>there have been no dna claims yet. where are you seeing this ?
>i didn't think they could even do it in 2 or 3 days.


On the news, saying that they knew it wasn't a double because of that.

I'd wish it was a double I'd laugh my ass off.

Don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, I still doubt they can do it on such short notice.

If they didn't say it I take it back.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 12:46:24 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>Christophe said:
>>>I question the fact that they proclaim to have DNA tests so quickly.
>>>
>>>As far as I know that takes at least 2 or 3 days if they speed things up.
>>
>>there have been no dna claims yet. where are you seeing this ?
>>i didn't think they could even do it in 2 or 3 days.


>On the news, saying that they knew it wasn't a double because of that.
>
>I'd wish it was a double I'd laugh my ass off.
>
>Don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, I still doubt they can do it on such short notice.
>
>If they didn't say it I take it back.

No way it's a double, no double could stand up to close inspection. They have
identified him through anectdotal evidence, dental and medical records, and known marks and scars.
I've searched all the usual news sources and can't find anything about DNA identification. The local TV says a couple of weeks for DNA testing.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 12:52:17 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Ok, probably understood wrong then.


 
Mesh Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:25:23 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I actually saw that they knew it was him through DNA tests also. And they said thats the reason the news wasnt released right away is because of them doing this tests.





 
SntSaturn Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:33:42 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  meshuggah said:
>I actually saw that they knew it was him through DNA tests also. And they said thats the reason the news wasnt released right away is because of them doing this tests.
>
>

yup, thats what i heard.

I think capturing Saddam is a great move forward for America. At least it gives the troops better morale and we can see progress in this "fight against terrorism."
Congradulations president bush.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:47:23 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  SntSaturn said:
>meshuggah said:
>>I actually saw that they knew it was him through DNA tests also. And they said thats the reason the news wasnt released right away is because of them doing this tests.
>>
>>
>
>yup, thats what i heard.
>
>I think capturing Saddam is a great move forward for America. At least it gives the troops better morale and we can see progress in this "fight against terrorism."
>Congradulations president bush.

In case you didn't know bush didn't do fuck.

It's easy for him to say 'our brave soldiers' and what not, he's not the one at the front. He didn't even do his army service because of daddy. What the hell did he do?

Also, the other side you might consider, based on what I've seen so far from the 'average american public' is that they'll think the war is over now and they'll start nagging about 'bringing the boys back'.

A few terrorist attacks like the 2 earlier today and the morale will be down again pretty soon.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:48:28 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  So hif, how do you explain the DNA tests so quickly?


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:51:38 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Looked it up and found this on www.howstuffworks.com:


Golden Solution For Faster DNA Detection (Sept. 12, 2000 ):
Using a flatbed scanner and photographic development chemicals, scientists have developed a DNA detection method that could be performed in a doctor's office or on the battlefield within hours


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:51:40 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>So hif, how do you explain the DNA tests so quickly?

I still haven't seen anything about DNA testing on the news, but if it is true, then apparently they can confirm DNA results in a couple of days. He was actually captured on Saturday and the news wasn't broken until Sunday, and no on said anything about DNA until today.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 17:58:31 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>In case you didn't know bush didn't do fuck.
>
>It's easy for him to say 'our brave soldiers' and what not, he's not the one at the front. He didn't even do his army service because of daddy. What the hell did he do?

by your logic, then Churchill, McArthur, and DeGaulle did nothing during ww2.

>
>Also, the other side you might consider, based on what I've seen so far from the 'average american public' is that they'll think the war is over now and they'll start nagging about 'bringing the boys back'.

you haven't seen anything close to the "average american public" then.
As far as I have seen, there have been no cries to "bring the boys back" other than a few spotty fanatics posing for cameras. The American public is firmly behind what we are doing in Iraq.

>A few terrorist attacks like the 2 earlier today and the morale will be down again pretty soon.

Down again ? When was it down to begin with ? I have friends and family over there, as do most Americans. We get periodic emails from them. Morale is now and has been up since they've been there. Of course the European press won't show you any of that because they are blatantly anti-american.


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 18:01:35 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Has it ever accurred to you that the american press is blatantly pro-american?

And you got to be kidding if you want to compare bush to somebody like DeGaulle


 
FN Posted: Mon Dec 15 18:06:39 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I guess we'll see how things go. Time will tell.

I doubt that your morale is high in the situations you described yourself.

Also have seen a lot of interviews with american soldiers and higher ranking people (don't exactly know the different grades though) who said they felt like wasting their time.


I don't say morale is low everywhere, but you can expect it not to be high in front of an american camera since they'll probably be labeled as 'not patriotic' or in other words 'cowards' if they say they want to get out of there.


 
SntSaturn Posted: Mon Dec 15 18:15:38 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe, I know you are considerably anti-american and especially anti-bush. I, however, approve of him. As our president he had to have played a part in the execution of operations. He was at least overseeing these things.

This spring I will even hopefully be helping organize and attending a dinner speach of his.


 
SntSaturn Posted: Mon Dec 15 18:18:46 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  SntSaturn said:
>Christophe, I know you are considerably anti-american and especially anti-bush. I, however, approve of him. As our president he had to have played a part in the execution of operations. He was at least overseeing these things.
>
>This spring I will even hopefully be helping organize and attending a dinner speach of his.

*speech. stupid spelling, gets ya' just when you are trying to sound smart... or at least confident.


 
addi Posted: Mon Dec 15 18:24:54 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  SntSaturn said:

>This spring I will even hopefully be helping organize and attending a dinner speach of his.

AAAAAAAAAAAGH!!
and coming from one of my favorite plinkers too!
(feels heart shrink two sizes too small)


 
JAZER Posted: Mon Dec 15 20:44:23 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  SntSaturn, I dont think I could have said it better myself. I had the pleasure of attending a speech of his and have to admit that it was an experience I will never forget. I also believe that the only reason that Christophe is "anti-american" is because he isnt from here. Just like Americans usually dont agree with other countries, Chris doesnt agree with America. Correct me if I am wrong but if you were from here would you not be more likely to be pro-America


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Dec 15 21:18:34 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Has it ever accurred to you that the american press is blatantly pro-american?

actually no, most of the network press is anti-american, anti-bush. If they had it their way, we would be a socialist state. CNN is moderate and FOX gives both sides of the story. Other than those two, you would be hard pressed to find a news outlet on TV that wasn't liberal.

>And you got to be kidding if you want to compare bush to somebody like DeGaulle

why not ?
The greatest French military leader since Napoleon ? What is that ? I surrender ! "what is that you need herr Hitler? you need assistance transporting millions of jews to Germany ? Sure we'll be glad to help"

And still, by your logic, the commander-in-chief does nothing. Apparently military units function without leadership.


 
sweet p Posted: Tue Dec 16 02:49:49 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  President Bush often makes me want to vomit.

Maybe I am slightly biased like Jazer says...because I am Canadian. But geez, he's just such a tool.
[and I'm in no mood for a debate so please don't jump at me with your questions and rebutles. You've heard it all I'm sure, anyway.]

Yet, this does not change the fact that I would still be interested in sitting in for one of his speeches. Television does nothing for me when it comes to that stuff. I would like to see him when he looks away from the cameras that I usually see him through, and watch his movements, hear his voice, and see the people who are there to listen to him speak.

It's kinda like church.
I don't attend very often, but sometimes I like to hear what they have to say, see the people there, how they react, wonder...and learn.




 
addi Posted: Tue Dec 16 06:52:46 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Sweet P said:
>President Bush often makes me want to vomit.

My heart just grew back 2 sizes.
God bless Canadians!


 
SntSaturn Posted: Thu Dec 18 00:45:48 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>SntSaturn said:
>
>>This spring I will even hopefully be helping organize and attending a dinner speach of his.
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAGH!!
>and coming from one of my favorite plinkers too!
>(feels heart shrink two sizes too small)

Glad to know I'm one of your favorites. (or at least was)
I'm not going to say Bush is a fantastic leader amongst the ranks of Lincoln or Roosevelt, but in his circumsnstances he's done considerably well.

and jazer: I do agree with your ideas on how other countries view Bush and America.


 
addi Posted: Thu Dec 18 07:30:37 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  SntSaturn said:

>Glad to know I'm one of your favorites. (or at least was)
>I'm not going to say Bush is a fantastic leader amongst the ranks of Lincoln or Roosevelt, but in his circumsnstances he's done considerably well.

I believe Bush is dangerous. I believe he's done considerably poor. I believe that the out of control national debt is a ticking time bomb for our economy. I believe his "Texas" views of reality are out of step with the reality of the 21st century.

You are still on my fav list of plinkers and your errant political views won't ever change that(he said smugly). Life is full of dissapointments. Hell, Hif and I are on opposite ends of the political spectum and he's one of my favorite plinkers!



day 4


 
mat_j Posted: Thu Dec 18 20:59:50 2003 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Ah well Saddam is caught now America can begin it's war in space!!!! Huzzah


 



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