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Mesh Posted: Thu Jan 29 22:45:53 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The Bush administration, deeply concerned about recent assassination attempts against Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and a resurgence of Taliban forces in neighboring Afghanistan (news - web sites), is preparing a U.S. military offensive that would reach inside Pakistan with the goal of destroying Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s Al Qaeda network, military sources said.






U.S. Central Command is assembling a team of military intelligence officers that would be posted in Pakistan ahead of the operation, according to sources familiar with details of the plan and internal military communications. The sources spoke on the condition they not be identified.


As now envisioned, the offensive would involve Special Operations forces, Army Rangers and Army ground troops, sources said. A Navy aircraft carrier would be deployed in the Arabian Sea.


Referred to in internal Pentagon (news - web sites) messages as the "spring offensive," the operation would be driven by certain undisclosed events in Pakistan and across the region, sources said. A source familiar with details of the plan said this is "not like a contingency plan for North Korea (news - web sites), something that sits on a shelf. This planning is like planning for Iraq (news - web sites). They want this plan to be executable, now."


The Defense Department declined to comment on the planned offensive or its details.


Such an operation almost certainly would demand the cooperation of Musharraf, who previously has allowed only a small number of U.S. Special Operations forces to work alongside Pakistani troops in the semi-autonomous tribal areas. A military source in Washington said last week, "We are told we're going into Pakistan with Musharraf's help."


Yet a large-scale offensive by U.S. forces within the nuclear-armed Islamic republic could be political dynamite for Musharraf.


The army general, who took power in a bloodless coup in 1999, has come under growing political pressure from Islamic parties, and his cooperation with U.S. anti-terrorism efforts is widely unpopular among average Pakistanis. Nor can Musharraf count on the loyalty of all of Pakistan's armed forces or its intelligence agency, members of which helped set up and maintain the Taliban in Afghanistan and are suspected of ties to militant Islamic groups.


Speaking on Friday at the World Economic Forum (news - web sites) in Davos, Switzerland, Musharraf again rejected the need for U.S. forces to enter Pakistan to search for bin Laden.


"That is not a possibility at all," Musharraf said. "It's a very sensitive issue."


The U.S. military is operating under the belief that, despite his recent statements, Musharraf's thinking has changed, sources said. Musharraf said last week that bin Laden and his followers likely were hiding in the mountains along the Afghan border. He also said "we are reasonably sure that it is Al Qaeda" who was behind the two attempts on his life.


An offensive into Pakistan to pursue Al Qaeda would be in keeping with President Bush (news - web sites)'s vow to strike wherever and whenever the United States feels threatened and to pursue terrorist elements to the end.


"The best way to defend America . . . is to stay on the offensive and find these killers, one by one," Bush said last week. "We're going to stay on the hunt, which requires good intelligence, good cooperation, good participation with friends and allies around the world."


Musharraf's vulnerability is of deep concern to U.S. officials. If he were killed, Bush administration officials say, it is unlikely that any successor would be as willing to work toward U.S. goals to eliminate Islamic extremists.


The U.S. military plan is characterized within the Pentagon as "a big effort" in the next year. Military analysts had previously judged that a bold move against Islamic extremists and bin Laden, in particular, was more likely to happen in spring 2005.


A series of planning orders--referred to in military jargon as warning orders--for the offensive were issued in recent weeks. The deadline for key planning factors to be detailed by the U.S. military was Jan. 21.


Sources said the plan against Al Qaeda would be driven by events in the region rather than set deadlines and that delays could occur. But military sources said the push for this spring appeared to be triggered by the assassination attempts on Musharraf, both of which came in December, and, to some extent, the capture of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Iraq.





Hussein was captured after eight months of an intense military and intelligence effort on the ground in Iraq. Pentagon and administration officials, buoyed by that success, believe a similar determined effort could work in Pakistan and lead to the capture or killing of bin Laden, said sources familiar with the planning.

Thousands of U.S. forces would be involved, as well as Pakistani troops, planners said. Some of the 10,600 U.S. troops now in Afghanistan would be shifted to the border region as part of regular troop movements; some would be deployed within Pakistan.

"Before we were constrained by the border. Musharraf did not want that. Now we are told we're going into Pakistan with Musharraf's help," a well-placed military source said.

Internal Pentagon communications indicate the U.S. offensive would rely on several areas of operation, including Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries in the region.

The U.S. also is weighing how and if Iran can be persuaded, through direct or indirect channels, to lend help, according to internal Pentagon communications. The U.S. is eager to avoid a repeat of the Afghan war in 2001, when some Al Qaeda fighters were believed to have escaped into Iran.

Military planners said the offensive would not require a significant increase in U.S. troops in South Asia. But Special Operations forces that shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2003 will return.

"We don't have enough forces but we can rely on proxy forces in that area," said a military source, referring to Pakistani troops. "This is designed to go after the Taliban and everybody connected with it."






Your thoughts on this?


Really only problem I see with this is that the northwestern provinces of Pakistan is pro-taliban, and Abu Abdullah Abd al-Hakim AKA Usama Bin Mohammed Bin Awad Bin Ladin is also very popular there. So could that be a trigger for even more violence against Musharrafs govt in Pakistan?





 
Asswipe Posted: Fri Jan 30 01:36:38 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  kill everyone, i don't fucking care anymore


 
iggy Posted: Fri Jan 30 01:40:35 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  put bush and osama in the championship ring and arrange for a death match.

best way to fight this fucked up war and no innocent people will die


 
Sheoul Posted: Fri Jan 30 05:59:32 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...


 
antartica Posted: Fri Jan 30 06:16:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  chanz said:
>put bush and osama in the championship ring and arrange for a death match.
>
>best way to fight this fucked up war and no innocent people will die

WOO-HOO!!!!

celebrity death match!!!!

*ding-ding*


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Jan 30 07:50:39 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Sheoul said:
>Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...

my my aren't we a fun person . . .


 
addi Posted: Fri Jan 30 07:55:21 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>Sheoul said:
>>Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...
>
>my my aren't we a fun person . . .

Pay no attention to him, hif. He must be a relative of koff, and I do believe he's dealing with some personal issues about his heterosexuality


 
antartica Posted: Fri Jan 30 07:58:03 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i'll be damned!

Addi & 'Hif both patting each other's backs in 2 consecutive replies!!!

OMG! the end of the world looms!!!

haha


 
addi Posted: Fri Jan 30 08:07:43 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  antartica said:
>i'll be damned!
>
>Addi & 'Hif both patting each other's backs in 2 consecutive replies!!!

What's this world coming to?!
Hif and I differ significantly on some issues, however neither of us suffer fools well


 
antartica Posted: Fri Jan 30 08:15:13 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>antartica said:
>>i'll be damned!
>>
>>Addi & 'Hif both patting each other's backs in 2 consecutive replies!!!
>
>What's this world coming to?!
>Hif and I differ significantly on some issues, however neither of us suffer fools well

heh heh...

i know. we know...
onli i canna be bothered...

better things to do than to scoff at the likes of Koff-ters


 
FN Posted: Fri Jan 30 13:31:37 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>Sheoul said:
>>Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...
>
>my my aren't we a fun person . . .

It's true I think though.


 
Mesh Posted: Fri Jan 30 15:54:18 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>Sheoul said:
>>>Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...
>>
>>my my aren't we a fun person . . .
>
>It's true I think though.


Yeah it is true. You can bet there are groups out their who if given the oppurtunity would not hesitate to use a nuclear weapon on a major city.


Doesnt mean the comment was called for though......


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Jan 30 16:04:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  meshuggah said:
>Christophe said:
>>ifihadahif said:
>>>Sheoul said:
>>>>Stoopid Americans... they've created a world where everybody hates them. The moment anyone gets the chance, the US is going to go bye-bye...
>>>
>>>my my aren't we a fun person . . .
>>
>>It's true I think though.
>
>
>Yeah it is true. You can bet there are groups out their who if given the oppurtunity would not hesitate to use a nuclear weapon on a major city.
>
>
>Doesnt mean the comment was called for though......

I also don't think we've created a world where everybody hates us.
True enough there are a lot of small minded people out there, but they don't make up the majority of the world.


 
Mesh Posted: Sat Jan 31 01:15:39 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Just to clear things up, the comment that I was saying was not called for was sheouls, not hifs comment in reply to it.


Also, koff was brought up and my post has nothing to do with him but he was hilarius so to quote koff

"u say tht u bring my ass in bran. i tak ur ass make cap and put on ur bran. thn tak u 2 balls and put thm in ur eye. thn i take u penis and cut it half and put thm in ur nose. thn u swing all u want. if u want i get swing for u."


 
mat_j Posted: Mon Feb 2 06:50:54 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>antartica said:
>>i'll be damned!
>>
>>Addi & 'Hif both patting each other's backs in 2 consecutive replies!!!
>
>What's this world coming to?!
>Hif and I differ significantly on some issues, however neither of us suffer fools well

I pitty the foo' that goes against addi and Hif


 



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