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Christianity - Plagarism?
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 21:59:21 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Was Christianity new? Was Christianity unique?
From the idea of one supreme God, to the soul ascending to heaven, to the Son of God sacrificed as the Savior of mankind, the key elements of Christian theology evolved or were taken directly from earlier Ancient cultures and religions.

Pagan Origins is an outline of what and how.

More than Jesus
We believe in Christianity (or not) because we believe the stories about Jesus are true (or not). Christianity is Jesus' story, right? Well, not really. Here's something you maybe haven't thought about (at least it took me a long time to see it ) -- there's more to Christianity than Jesus.

Besides Jesus, Christianity believes in one God -- and more than that, in a personal God who steps in to make people's lives better, or not, and who punishes us for doing bad things, and rewards us for being good. Christianity believes in prayer, in eternal life, in miracles, in prophecy, in a human soul, in heaven and hell.

And you know what, Pagans believed in all those things generations before Jesus. Christianity was not new. Christianity was not unique. Christianity borrowed way more than the story of a Godman with magic powers who came back to life after he died. The first Christians took the basic ideas of their culture and adapted them to their new faith. Like all the ancient Pagans, they built a new religion out of old parts.

There's more. Don't forget the Christian sacraments. Christians are initiated into their faith by baptism. They share a sacred meal of wine and bread, which they believe become the blood and flesh of Jesus.

And generations before Jesus, Pagans practiced baptism and pagans shared sacred meals with their Gods. Pagans even ate sacred meals that were the body of their Gods. The first Christians took the basic ideas of their culture and adapted them to their new faith. They built a new religion out of old parts.




 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:00:40 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Jesus saves -- Pagan Gods saved first

Was Christianity new? Was Christianity unique? If there's anything new and unique about Christianity, it's that Jesus saves, right? Amazingly, that's wrong. By the time of Jesus the tradition of Gods who save was at least six or seven hundred years old.

Orpheus/ Dionysus When Homer wrote the Iliad and Odyssey maybe around 800 BC, the archaic Greek Olympic Gods were not saviors -- they didn't help people survive death, or have a better life after death. Salvation wasn't something Gods did.

Orpheus changed that. In the sixth, maybe the seventh century BC he worked on the myth of the imported-to-Greece Thracian* God Dionysus, and turned it into a religion of morality and salvation. As far as we know Orpheus was the first guy in the west to do this.

How do we know about Orpheus? Well, fragments of the Orphic Gospel, called the "Orphic Hymns," are quoted by ancient writers, and Orphism lasted into late antiquity and comes up a lot in ancient texts.

Anyway, by the fourth century Plato (yes, that Plato) was writing about Orpheus and his theology of salvation -- and not just of eternal life, but of eternal life made better for Orphic believers.

The Orphic God plates
In Italy, in the third or fourth century BC, texts written on gold plates and buried with the dead, describe the souls of Dionysus followers in the afterlife, drinking not from one particular spring in Hades, but from another cool pool -- and that will give them divinity and eternal life.


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:01:49 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Osiris' followers found salvation in his rebirth. The exact ritual steps of the initiation into the Mysteries of Osiris, we don't know -- they were kept secret on pain of death. That the initiation meant salvation could be written -- and was:

"The keys of hell and the guarantee of salvation were in the hands of the goddess, and the initiation ceremony itself a kind of voluntary death and salvation through divine grace." [Apuleius, Metamorphosis, Book 11, 21]

And, "Be of good cheer, O initiates, for the god is saved, and we shall have salvation for our woes." [Firmicus Maternus, The Error of Pagan Religions, 22.1]


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:02:27 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Salvation, Egypt, 1300 BC
This ancient papyrus shows a Dead Guy's judgment in the Egyptian Hall of Two Truths, on the left, the Dead Guy's soul is led to the scales of judgment by the jackal-headed God Anubis, who also, in the center, adjusts the Scales of Justice on which the Dead Guy's heart (the location of his "maat,' = goodness) is measured.

The monster Ammut crouches at the scales, hoping the Dead Guy fails the test, in which case Ammut with swallow his heart, and Dead Guy will suffer torment for a few eons, then die.

At the mid-right the Ibis-headed Thoth writes down the outcome of the judgment The Dead Guy did OK -- he was declared "maa-kheru" = "justified" -- so he's lead off by the God Horus to stand before Osiris, who grants him eternal life.
[Papyrus of Hunefer, c 1280 BC, from Thebes.]

Jesus brought salvation. Osiris brought salvation 1,400 years earlier.

" I have come with solace and aid. Away then with tears. Cease to moan. Send sorrow fleeing. Soon through my providence shall the sun of your salvation rise." [Apuleius, Metamorphoses 11.5]


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:04:32 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Was Christianity new? Was Christianity unique? It's talk about virgin birth.

According to one story, the Roman Emperor Augustus' mother was worshipping in the temple of Apollo when she fell asleep and was impregnated by the god [Suetonius Lives of the Caesars: Augustus 94]
Other examples of virgin born Gods

Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki

Savior Dionysus was born of the virgin Semele.

Buddha too was born of a virgin,

The old Teutonic goddess Hertha was a virgin impregnated by the heavenly Spirit and bore a son.

Scandinavian Frigga was impregnated by the All-Father Odin and bore Balder, the healer and savior of mankind.

Pausanias describes the birth of the God Attis:

a daughter of the river Sangarius, they say, took of the fruit and laid it in her bosom, when it at once disappeared, but she was with child. A boy was born, and exposed, but was tended by a he-goat. [Pausanias, Description of Greece 7.17.9-11]


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:11:23 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Before all the zealots in here start attacking me.

i'm christian as well but i believe that there's more than meets the eye.

think before you start rebutting.
i've heard all the defence before.

"satan must have known of God's plan and perverted the truth by coming before the Lord Christ and spread the same in the ancient pagan religions."

please. that lie has been used by the church. stop believing in those.

the fact that a lot of christian customs are borrowed from those 'pagan' rituals.


Go to this page and read first.
there are a lot of website, books concerning this matter.

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth.

http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index_FLASH.html

"The POCM web site introduces you to the mainstream modern scholarship about Christianity's origins in ancient Pagan religion.

You already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the traditional mid-winter and spring timing of the two holidays was Pagan too. Mildly interesting. Not what you'll find here.

What you'll discover here is that Christianity inherited everything from the Pagans. The core of Christianity -- the worship of a dying Godman who is resurrected, ascends into heaven and brings salvation to mankind -- was also the core of a number of ancient Pagan religions that began in the Near East two thousand years before Jesus.

Christian theology borrowed more than the archaic myth of the dying-resurrected Godman. Initiation by baptism, communion with the God through a holy meal that represented the flesh of the dead God, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, and immortality of the soul were all core beliefs of many ancient faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture.

Christianity also borrowed elements of Jesus' mythology: the virgin birth, the miracles (including turning water into wine, walking on water, and especially healing the sick) were all common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religions. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more. And they had them centuries before Christianity was a twinkle in Saint Paul's eye."


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:28:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christianity and Racism

The moment that Christianity was adopted by the political power structure of the Roman Empire it stopped being a pacifist Gnostic cult, and became a methodology for control. The racism that was inherent within an empire that thought nothing of enslaving foreign peoples has continued within the Roman Catholic Church right up to the present day.

When the brutal Roman Empire witnessed the courageous martyrdom of the Gnostic Christian cult followers who were tortured and slaughtered in the Roman coliseum, it realized the incredible power of this new mythology. Consequently, using the teachings of Saul/St.Paul the Holy Roman Catholic Church developed a manipulative dogma of the heroism of victimhood that gave the failing Roman Empire a new strength.

When a new people were conquered by the Empire, the new mythology taught them to "turn the other cheek" and accept their suffering in order to be rewarded by a afterlife in Heaven. Yet the Empire itself never accepted these same conditions. Eventually the Holy Roman Empire and its Holy Roman Catholic Church had conquered most of Europe, forcibly converting the Pagan cultures to Paulian Christianity. However, the strength of this form of Christianity lay in the continued suppression of the true Gnostic Christian teachings upon which it was based.

These teachings originally derived from a structured form of Shamanism developed in ancient India, and were merely echoed in Paulian Christianity. Indeed, many scriptures document disagreements between Christ's closest apostle Simon Peter and Saul/St.Paul, who didn't even know Christ, yet claimed to have had a transcendental meeting with Him on the astral plane. The conflict centered on the precise nature of the Last Supper, what should be eaten, and whom exactly it should be shared with. Peter was inclusive, just as Christ was, accepting everyone as a welcome guest. However, Paul insisted on excluding Jews.

This seed of anti-Semitism was expanded upon by the Roman Church bishops who invented the apostle Judas, who was previously unmentioned in the first Gospels. In later approved Gospels Judas became the central figure of betrayal.

Judas by name and description is clearly meant to represent the Jewish race, who have consequently been blamed for the murder of Christ.

In fact, Paulian Christianity has always been based upon separation rather than inclusion. Humanity is separated from God, and as Jesus is dogmatically also God, humanity is separated from Him. The ordinary Christian congregation can only gain access to God through the initiated Priest. This is the opposite to the original Gnostic teachings of the Historical Christ, who showed that Man through Tantric/Shamanic rituals and understanding could access the Divine and "walk with God".

This mystical knowledge inspired the Early Christians in their martyrdom and gave them the power to face the mighty Roman Empire and an awful death. It was clear to the Paulian Roman Church that to maintain its power base through its initiated priests, the true Shamanic teachings of Christ must not be accessed by Humanity.

The destruction of Celtic Christianity, and the horrors of the Inquisition that lasted for six hundred years, clearly illustrates just how far the Roman Catholic Church was prepared to go in order to suppress this knowledge. This Inquisition was directed against Jews, Muslims, Gnostic Christians, and followers of Pagan Nature cults. Acts of violence directed against the Jewish people became a highly commendable religious act. In plague ridden medieval Strasbourg 16,000 were murdered, and in Mainz, Germany, 12,000 were burned alive. In the south of France one million Cathar Gnostic Christians were massacred. Pope Innocent III declared "Kill them all, God knows his own", and as a consequence most of the region was laid to waste.

When Shamanism in its rawest form was confronted in the new worlds of Africa and the Americas, it was important for the Church to stamp out these cultures based upon the similar Spiritual values that the Historical Christ had come to understand. It has recently been estimated by the University of Hawaii's Anthropology Dept. that up to 250 million Ameri-Indians and Polynesians, equal to the population of Europe at that time, lost their lives through slaughter and disease due to "Civilization" and the Church's "Good News" being spread to the New World. Not to mention the millions of Africans who died as a result of Church sanctioned slavery.

As recently as the late 1800's to the beginning of the 20th Century, over half of the population of the Belgian Congo were killed by the brutal imperialism of Belgium's King Leopold II. Forced labor, starvation, village burning, torture and murder claimed over 11 million. The Congo's extensive network of Catholic missionaries remained silent during the slavery and genocide.

If the Truth behind the metaphors of Paulian Roman Catholic dogma were recognized and accessed, their concretization of "the Word" would simply crumble. If the seed ideas of Christ were allowed to merge with Pagan Nature religions, then the original dreams of unity, brotherhood, charity, equality, mutual compassion, and ultimately union with God of early Gnostic Christianity might create a Global Village, instead of a New World Order.

History has proven that the recognition of Christ's original truth must be avoided, whatever the cost.

Pope John Paul II's recent lengthy apology for the above-mentioned crimes against Humanity, while admitting some degree of culpability, will not prevent history from repeating itself, unless he is prepared to show true Christian heroism, and remove the Mask of Evil from the face of the Roman Empire.


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:30:16 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Holy Roman Catholic Church

The institution of the Catholic Church began when the Roman Empire under Emperor Constantine accepted Christianity, and became the Holy Roman Empire. The Church's time of absolute power came when Emperor Charlemagne finally conquered most of Pagan Europe in the 8th Century.

While Europe had been dominated by a Pagan Nature belief system, a Pagan-Christian synthesis existed in the British Isles with Celtic Christianity, where early Gnostic Christian ideas of the Historical Christ had survived following the destruction of the original Christian Church of Jerusalem by the Romans. The teachings of the Church of Jerusalem had made their way to Ireland by way of North Africa and Spain, and with it's emphasis on the Feminine principles of harmony and unity, found a natural home within the Celtic commmunities. With the destruction of Celtic Christianity alongside traditional Paganism at the behest of the Church of Rome, Christianity was finally unified under the might of the Holy Roman Empire with its orthodox teachings largely developed by Saul (St.Paul). Many scholars now believe that this was more uniquely "Paulian" than Christian.

Saul had been a fervent persecutor of Gnostic Jews/Christians, and while he had never actually met Jesus, he claimed to have communicated with Jesus in a vision, and ultimately drew his authority from this "transcendental" encounter. Saul quickly fell out with the original followers of Christ, mainly regarding the role of women within their rituals and practices, but traveled to Rome where he was a key figure in the establishment of the Church of Rome, which became the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today.

Paul was humiliated by the failure of his teachings that the Apocalypse was about to occur and Jesus's return was imminent. As a consequence, he devised the concept of evangalism: Only when the entire world was converted to Christianity would Jesus return.

Seven hundred years later this goal was almost achieved, and the Holy Roman Empire ruled most of the known world. However, schisms soon began to occur within the Holy Empire when the spiritual leaders, the Popes, struggled for ultimate power over the military Emperors, who had always appointed the Popes, claiming their own divine right to rule by hereditary birthright.

With the revival of Gnosticism in Europe in the 12th Century, particularly with the Cathars, the internal schisms finally created a breakdown in the unity of the Empire, ending with the existence of three separate Popes, and one Emperor, all vying for power in different parts of Europe. Stability was finally achieved by the annihilation of Gnosticism throughout Europe by the Inquisition. This forced Gnosticism underground, where it continued to exist in the mystical-military orders that appeared at this time, such as the supposedly ascetic and celebate Knights Templar, who developed what is now Freemasonry. Although the Feminine principles of Gnosticism became blurred by the Masculine pursuits of power and conquest.

The Catholic Church as we see it today, labeled the Gnostic streams Satanic, and perhaps not without good cause. The Dark Side of occultism has many secrets, lies and perversions. With the messianic fervor of St. Paul, the Catholic Church continued its search and destroy mission against "Satanism", Paganism and Shamanism, as we have seen throughout history in the Americas, Africa, and Polynesian Islands. The ensuing Witch Hunts in Europe since the Inquisition claimed perhaps 2 million lives, particularly older women past the age of reproduction, who's only crime was an invaluable knowledge of natural medicine, and a "Sixth Sense" that was perhaps perceived as a direct threat to Rome.

The destructive aspects of the Inquisition effectively "purified" Europe of its traditional Nature cults, beliefs and practices. However, they survived to a certain degree within the Occult underground streams, which ironically were becoming as confused about Gnostic beliefs, rituals and heritage, as the mainstream Church. The creation of the Arthurian myths "seeking that which was lost" are an illustration of this loss.

This complex history as documented in the archives of the Vatican is withheld from public scrutiny. Indeed, these records are officially called the Secret Archives, which by its very definition has a sinister connotation. What could be so secret and potentially damaging that has to be hidden from view forever? Even the CIA must appear to release documents after a period of time.

Vatican insider Father Malachi Martin, a Jesuit priest, highly regarded scholar, speaker of 17 languages, translator of ancient scriptures and books, and close associate of Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Augustin Bea, perhaps revealed these secrets, before his untimely death in 1999. His final publication "Windswept House", describes in frighteningly authentic detail, a Satanic ritual conducted in 1963 in the Vatican's Chapel of St. Paul.

According to Father Martin its purpose was to "Bring about the enthronement of Lucifer. The return of the King of the Earth to his seat of power".

As expected, Father Martin's books are currently causing a stir within the Catholic Church and its members. Not so surprising when he ends his dense 650 page book with the central character's plea to the Pope, "Are you not the last one capable of cleansing the Holy Basilica and the Vatican of any trace of Lucifer's enthronement? That you will leave Lucifer and his in-house Curial agents free to wreak their blasphemous filth on Altar and Tabernacle and priesthood and papacy... You cannot walk away from this papacy knowing you have left that supreme enemy in charge."

The point that Fr. Martin does not understand, is that the very structure of the Vatican that gives the Pope his power, prestige, and historical authority, is intrinsically linked with the Occult societies like the Dragon Court and the Priory of Sion, who have always been there, at one with the goals and aims of the Church itself. Whether the Second Coming is the literal return of their Scion (neo-feudalism/fascism), or the mystical return of Jesus as taught by the mainstream Church, makes little difference to the aims of the present-day structure of the Vatican. To control and hold great political weight across the entire world is the necessary and unified aim of both groups. Thus, there is little point in the Pope attempting to destroy the hidden structures within his Church, which wield most of this power in the political and economic arena.

Perhaps the recently disgraced paedophile priest Fr. Paul Shanley was intimating this when he threatened to release sensitive information about the Church should he be exposed as a paedophile. "Were I to release this to the press, you would have to fire another half dozen of your top priests, since what they are saying is far more shocking than my poor offerings", Fr. Shanley disclosed in a letter to his Cardinal. Indeed, what could be "far more shocking" than paedophilia?

Equally fantastic is the recent charade surrounding the "Messages from the Virgin Mary" and the so called "Third Secret". Yet another example of psychological manipulation through the creation of a Mystery that only a select few know the answer to. This is wholly consistent with Catholicism's mainstream belief structure that deifies Mystery, and celebrates a state of ignorance. Secrecy is the currency of all occult/authoritarian institutions as secret societies testify, but none can come close in terms of power, influence, and the appalling historical legacy of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Today, the Catholic Church shows no signs of easing its historical attitudes towards indigenous peoples and women, and is actively opposing programs that would improve the lives of those in developing countries and women at large. Only now is its legacy of astounding cruelty to children and young people becoming fully known, as abused Catholics worldwide finally find themselves able to speak out, without fear of "divine retribution."

Although it is technically a religion and not a country, the Vatican's self-categorization as a Sovereign State allows it membership of the United Nations. Under international law they have no legal right to such status, and recent attempts to disqualify the Vatican by organizations such as "Catholics For A Free Choice" have been thwarted at the highest levels. Within the UN the Vatican persistently obstructs and prevents measures aimed at providing condom distribution and sex education throughout developing countries to prevent the rising spread of AIDS and unwanted pregnancy. Any directives by the UN to improve the quality of life for women in general are always vehmently opposed by the Vatican, who firmly believe "a woman's place is beneath her husband".

This is wholly consistant with the proclamations of one of the Catholic Church's founding fathers Saint Augustine, who is on record as saying "women are vessels of excrement".


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:33:18 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Vatican Scandals as reported around the world.

http://www.vaticanbankclaims.com/links.html


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:35:33 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The Historical Christ

Modern beliefs about the life of Jesus are based upon the four Gospels of the New Testament. However, the Roman Catholic Church chose these four books from many similar works of the same period. Many leading scholars believe that the true "Jesus" is an amalgamation of several individuals.

Some evidence points towards there having been twin brothers, Jesus the revolutionary, and James the mystic, belonging to a Messianic Gnostic cult. It is believed that Jesus was indeed crucified as a threat to Rome, while James survived to continue living a normal life, perhaps marrying and having children. Some believe James was responsible for taking Gnostic Christian ideas to Europe, where they took root in Celtic Christianity.

Other scholars believe that the crucifixion story is simply the perfect ending to a classic myth, and that the historical Jesus was merely a storyteller and charismatic mystic who probably was never killed, though later followers of this guru figure Hollywood-ized his life story with a poignant climax. In fact, the entire Christ story precisely follows classical story structure of a traditional Hero myth, as is carefully detailed in Joseph Campbell's influential study of storytelling and comparative mythology "The Hero with a Thousand Faces", and in the many books of modern psychology creator C.G.Jung.

It is certain that Jesus followed Gnostic teachings that were forced underground with the collapse of early Christianity under the Roman Church. The recent discovery of the Gnostic Gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls detail the beliefs and practices of the times, and it is thought that Jesus belonged to an Essene or Nasorean ecstasy cult. The scrolls state that a leading figure of the times, thought to be Jesus, "loved his bodily fluids", a distinctly Gnostic trait, albeit a huge simplification of Gnostic and Eastern teachings.

The revolutionary mixture of Judeo-socio-ethical teachings and Indian/Buddhist mystical practices have made the surviving image of Christ, whoever he may have been, an indestructable aspiration for Humanity who sense the true nature of Eternity within it.

When Gnosticism rose again in Europe, followers developed stories based upon the survival of Jesus, preferring to see their idol as victorious over Rome, instead of the victim of a grisly capital punishment. Many religious orders such as the monastic Cisterians and the Knights Templar believed so strongly in the survival of Jesus that they began to search for evidence of his heirs. The possibility of the existence of true "scions" to a God-figure such as Jesus sparked many mythic tales and legends, and created obvious political ramifications. Stories of the Holy Grail and legends of King Arthur flooded European culture, and were particularly kept alive in secret orders such as the Priory of Sion and the Dragon Court.

It is ironic that in the battleground of who Jesus was, and what exactly he did, much of the world has forgotten to adhere to the very parts of his teaching that we do have accurate records of - namely the sayings of Jesus. These are consistent throughout the Gospels, and recorded in full in the recently discovered Gospel of Thomas, which had previously been destroyed along with other records of Christ by the early Church of Rome, when they burned to the ground the great library of Alexandria. This is the only surviving gospel written in the original tongue of Jesus - Aramaic. The official four Gospels were written in Greek, then translated to Latin, and then to English, which allowed for many changes, additions, and deletions to be made, by the forces of power who's interests would be threatened by the authentic words of Christ being accessible to all.

The sayings of the Historical Christ are the true legacy that if followed allow Humanity to see as he did, and realize the ultimate truth that is central to his message:

"Heaven is spread upon the face of the Earth, its just that Man does not see it".


 
trogdor57 Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:35:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I guess my problem with the whole thing is that this guy is saying the site is to inform, but it's almost written to change someone's view. The problem is that there's no point in knowing this. It doesn't change what Christianity is. It's still a group who follow a man, who was born of a virgin, eventually sent to die on a cross, while performing great acts along the way, only to rise again, go to heaven, to greet us when we die. It seems that this is exactly what the other religions say, minus one thing.

"For God so LOVED the world..." John 3:16.

I haven't heard of one other religion where it's love all around. I'm not going to point fingers, but that's what Christianity's (supposed to be) about. Tell me one, and we'll talk.

Thanks for calling.


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:39:28 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  buddism

gnostic christianity

islam

taoism

hinduism

i named u 5 now.

and i expect ur reply to be, they are not religion... but rather inventions of the devil


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:42:19 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  before u refute those "religions"

have u read their books.

read the koran, read the buddist sutras, read the hindu religious books, read the gnostic bible. and read the bible in their different versions (yes other than KJV), then we talk.

if u have not read any other religious book other than ur own. dun bother trying to compare.

it's drinking coca cola and never tried other drinks and saying coke is the best


 
iggy Posted: Wed Mar 10 22:47:34 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor57 said:
>I guess my problem with the whole thing is that this guy is saying the site is to inform, but it's almost written to change someone's view.

your problem with this whole thing is that these webpage is saying that your religion is not original.

and what you've been believing so far has been taken from the 'pagan' religions that christianity has been saying as satanic.

galileo and his fellow scientists have been branded as 'satanic' by the vatican because they believed in science.

galileo has been persecuted by the vatican cos he proved that the Sun rather than the earth is the centre of the solar system.

believing in science rather than religion was considered heretic and satanic back then.

blasphermy, satanic, heresy are tools used by the church to persecute people who do not believe in them.

read the above article about christianity and racism.


 
simonvii Posted: Wed Mar 10 23:44:04 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  thank u thank u thank u...man ive been telling this stuff to people forever and they all look at me like im the ignorant one...anyway chanz its true, im a christian as well but i do believe there's more to it all than what you get ur average sunday morning...good of you to bring it to light, im anxious to see the responses here


 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 00:32:34 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  simonvii said:
>thank u thank u thank u...man ive been telling this stuff to people forever and they all look at me like im the ignorant one...

i was thrown out of my church for my questions and other reasons as well.

:)
dun worry brother, time will tell.

the thing people are not willing to accept new ideas is because they believed for so long and too much and when u tell them that what they are believing is not what it seems, everything that they built their world around would be a farce and they will do anything to protect it.

the vatican is a good example of it.

when the dead sea scrolls and the gnostic texts of Nag Hammadi were discovered, the churches denouce that these texts were heretic and fake even without understanding them.


 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 00:41:50 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/outside2.stm

dead sea scrolls and other ancient text


 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 00:42:39 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/naghamm/nhl.html

Nag Hammadi Library.
(the Gnostic Scriptures)


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 01:34:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  most religions and religious people are retarded and ignorant. i prefer not to be associated with any of them.


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 03:39:33 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marstellar is my savior. fill me up w/ spiritual grace and not the sticky sort


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Mar 11 06:57:08 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:
>most religions and religious people are retarded and ignorant. i prefer not to be associated with any of them.

yes, marsterller that is a brilliant statement. that attitude will take you far in life.


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 11:20:40 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  no doubt.


 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 11:28:45 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Gwen Stephani


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 11:32:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  word game?


 
trogdor57 Posted: Thu Mar 11 15:36:05 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  OK, fair enough, I don't know more than the tiniest bit of common knowledge about any of those religions. However, instead of sarcastically guessing my response, and then judging how I viewed the subject based on just a few lines of text.

However, any insight you may have on any of the listed religions will be greatly appreciated.

The part of all this that currently bothers me is the "Seperation" part. Christianity is supposed to be centered around close-ness with God the Father and Jesus Christ. We do in fact "Walk with God," that he may talk with us, ease suffering, etc. And the real church, not the corrupted Catholic church of old, is supposed to let in all whom approach it, be they Gay, Black, fill in whatever you please.

Another thing, allright, while I'm saying stuff, perhaps some of the other religions could in fact be fabrications of Satan, however, there is also the possibilty that they are actually worshiping Our God, but believe him to be something else.


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 16:17:14 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor... is english your primary language?

i ask because you suck at it


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 16:33:52 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  a quote from trogdor, sponsored by marsteller:

"Well, well. It's been about 9 years since I've been grounded. I feel 7 again... But seriously, I got a 56 on a project, and my mom was pissed. With reason I suppose. It's for a whole week. Can't even go to the cast party for the play. Dang.... That's what I get for skipping out on part of a project I suppose. So remember chillin's: Crime don't pay."

sorry, i just found it funny.


 
trogdor57 Posted: Thu Mar 11 16:56:52 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Well, that's a little random....


 
trogdor57 Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:00:03 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Asswipe said:
>trogdor... is english your primary language?
>
>i ask because you suck at it

Yeah, it's my primary language, but what with the lower level of intelligence among teenagers, I'm nearly a God. Funny, isn't it?


 
FN Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:18:40 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor57 said:
>It's still a group who follow a man, who was born of a virgin, eventually sent to die on a cross, while performing great acts along the way, only to rise again, go to heaven, to greet us when we die.



Had to get into this again lol, can't resist.


You mean you actually believe he was born out of a virgin?

Really...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: josef probably didn't know about it but I think mary used something else than money to pay the tollman.

Mommy's baby surely, daddy's baby maybe




What with the people before jebus? they weren't greated by anybody?


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:20:59 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:
>a quote from trogdor, sponsored by marsteller:
>
>"Well, well. It's been about 9 years since I've been grounded. I feel 7 again... But seriously, I got a 56 on a project, and my mom was pissed. With reason I suppose. It's for a whole week. Can't even go to the cast party for the play. Dang.... That's what I get for skipping out on part of a project I suppose. So remember chillin's: Crime don't pay."
>


reminds me of Butters


 
FN Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:21:21 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  By the way, tomorrow we're having a 100-days show @ our school, and the theme is heaven and hell, and I'm the one playing god lol


Worship me trogdor


 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:28:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  hey boys
you feel big picking on Trog?
Questioning his command of english?

c'mon plonkers. lighten up and lay off the guy.
a clean PC sanitized GT? NO WAY!, but the personal attacks are uncalled for.


 
trogdor57 Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:30:37 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Many thanks, but not necesary, I'd prefer they did it on someone who can take it as opposed to someone who would lash out and lose all dignity.


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:36:14 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i just thought it'd be nice to be able to understand what the hell he's talking about.


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:36:27 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor's only like 14 years old....he's the GT community's younger brother....if we can't pick on him, then who?


 
FN Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:39:51 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I don't think it's intended to hurt him or anything.


 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:40:32 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i never said you couldn't take it,trogdor. I just don't like seeing meaningless personal attacks is all..on anyone here.
JQ didn't pass away and make me moderator. they feel free saying what's on their minds and so do i.
that's all

I can tell from many of marsteller's past posts that he's a half wit that speaks without thinking about what comes out his dick for a brain first.

If everyone started making personal attacks towards him I'd say the same thing : )



 
casper Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:49:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>i never said you couldn't take it,trogdor. I just don't like seeing meaningless personal attacks is all..on anyone here.
>JQ didn't pass away and make me moderator. they feel free saying what's on their minds and so do i.
>that's all
>
>I can tell from many of marsteller's past posts that he's a half wit that speaks without thinking about what comes out his dick for a brain first.
>
>If everyone started making personal attacks towards him I'd say the same thing : )
>
lol...how magnanimous of you


 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:53:30 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Casper the ghost rises from the dead to speak.
lol... How thoughtful of you


 
casper Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:54:14 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>Casper the ghost rises from the dead to speak.
>lol... How thoughtful of you

boo ;)


 
sweet p Posted: Thu Mar 11 17:55:47 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>Gwen Stephani

hehehehehe


 
mat_j Posted: Thu Mar 11 19:07:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS GONIG ON IN HERE!





 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 20:03:24 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor57 said:
However, instead of sarcastically guessing my response, and then judging how I viewed the subject based on just a few lines of text.
>

no no no. u got me wrong here... i judged ur views on religion based on all your comments from day 1 to now.
your views on religion is simple enough.

ur faith no doubt is strong, and respectable. but the one thing about u that i can't stand is ur judgement on other religions and different view points.

for e.g you said "I haven't heard of one other religion where it's love all around. I'm not going to point fingers, but that's what Christianity's (supposed to be) about. Tell me one, and we'll talk."

that line above shows the same attitute that got christianity condemned and spit on for ages in the modern world. remember. your religion is a baby religion compared to the other religions that existed before yours.




>However, any insight you may have on any of the listed religions will be greatly appreciated.
>

i have time after time again put up links to web-pages about other religions. have u been to them?
have u tried to read everything?
i bet u just go in, take a looksie and decide that it is heretic and pass ur judgement to it.

i learnt it by ploughing through books, going to different places of worship by different religions and trying to learn by speaking to the leaders and my friends who are of different religions.


>The part of all this that currently bothers me is the "Seperation" part. Christianity is supposed to be centered around close-ness with God the Father and Jesus Christ. We do in fact "Walk with God," that he may talk with us, ease suffering, etc. And the real church, not the corrupted Catholic church of old, is supposed to let in all whom approach it, be they Gay, Black, fill in whatever you please.
>

how new can a church get when new ideas and discoveries are refuted time after time as heresies?
yes, the modern churches allow gay marriages, accept black and stuff.

please, u think that's a new concept? accept people of different races?
Christianity was for the masses from day 1.
by accepting other races made it radical?


>Another thing, allright, while I'm saying stuff, perhaps some of the other religions could in fact be fabrications of Satan, however, there is also the possibilty that they are actually worshiping Our God, but believe him to be something else.

when u point the finger at someone, 3 fingers of yours point back at you.

let me ask u this. what makes u think that your religion is not a fabrication of Satan too?
i believe the muslim zealots out there believe that all christians are the spawn of satan too.

by saying the above line, u are already commiting religious racism.


what i'm saying here that we may be wrong.


christophe, asswipe and crew may be right after all.

the religion of reason, science, rationality may be right.


but who know?

u think ur God is real

a lot of people out there believe that there is no God.

but who can prove it for real?

i can't. and that's why i say, nothing is confirmed until it is confirmed. when's that? the hell i know



 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 20:12:18 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor.

u want a good link?

here's one

http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml

here it from the otherside. this webpage is for the non-believers and their arguments,

good stuff really.


 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 20:16:24 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  christophe, asswipe.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php

this is an interesting link for you.




 
antartica Posted: Thu Mar 11 20:18:06 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  while ya there trog grab us big brothers some beer woudya? haha...

dun take it too seriously that it's a personal attack. its just that in any debate there has to be people taking opposite sides and somtimes there are just more people on one side than the other... this case... seems to be only ya. =P

anc casper! welcumm home ya friendly ghost =))


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:33:02 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  hey, screw you addison. 10 bucks says my dick's just as smart as you are, if not smarter. way to bust out an unprovoked personal attack...sadly, i think asswipe's the only one on here that really gets most of my posts, because personality doesn't really get conveyed very well in the few comments and remarks that i make.

PS- Ludwig's gay.


 
marsteller Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:33:35 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  just kiddin bout that ludwig thing, he's actually pretty sweet and i was honored when my pic was chosen to be a part of your art.


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:42:39 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  haha, yeah... marstellar's "half wit" comments are humorous if seen in the right light. DRAW NO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE FROM MERE WORDS, they are meaningless. cept trogdor, we can conclude stuff 'bout him.(hif too)


P.S. F' everyone


 
Asswipe Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:43:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ooh, chanz, that message board looks very dope. i'll check it out later


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:44:10 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  cool ! casper's back !
we missed ya dude.


 
iggy Posted: Thu Mar 11 21:50:29 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Every faith in the world is based on fabrication.

That is the definition of Faith acceptance of that which we imagine to be true, that which we cannot prove. Every religion describes God through metaphor, allegory and exaggeration, from the early Egyptians through modern Sunday school.

Metaphors are a way to help our minds process the unprocessible. The problems arise when we begin to believe literally in our own metaphors.

Those who truly understand their faiths understand the stories are metaphorical.

Religious allegories has become a part of the fabric of reality. And living in that reality helps millions of people cope and become better people.


- Robert Langdon
The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown



 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 22:02:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:
>hey, screw you addison. 10 bucks says my dick's just as smart as you are, if not smarter.

I'd take you up on the bet, but the thought of how we'd determine your dicks intelligence frightens me


>way to bust out an unprovoked personal attack...sadly, i think asswipe's the only one on here that really gets most of my posts, because personality doesn't really get conveyed very well in the few comments and remarks that i make.

just make it clearer what your meaning is then. we don't have the luxury like asswipe does of knowing your personality. so when you make blantant derogitory remarks about someone (like Trog) repeatedly, (other threads as well), it looks like you're making a personal attack.
my "personal attack" of you was merely to make the point that it's not always cool to be on the recieving end. I was using it as an example. I like your banana personaly. i just think it's very easy to misconstrue your jests with an underlying tone of belittleing your target. Also with the number of people here that don't speak english as a primary language any comments in that area are ignorant (i know it wasn't you).
Read over chanzs post. He is opposed to trogdors stance on religion, but he makes his points in a respectful way. he doesn't make him feel like a twit.

I know I sound like your fucking parents. It makes me sick too.


>PS- Ludwig's gay.

He is I think. the other day he asked me to get a signed pic of Christophe. not that there's anything wrong with it!


 
addi Posted: Thu Mar 11 22:24:38 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Asswipe said:
> DRAW NO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE FROM MERE WORDS, they are meaningless.

you're smart asswipe. 99% of the time I know where you're coming from on your posts now (a few mistakes along the way).

I understand what you're saying here. the essense of what is addison is not solely in the words i type here.
true
but it's all we have to work with here as well. we can't escape the confines of communicating via words on the forum.
therefore we have to assign meaning and intent to some degree behind the words we read and type. we process the information from what all these squigglely lines represent to our brains, and then organise them to make sense.
I can't pick up on your voice inflection, or your body language, so i have to go off the words you type. I have been misunderstood because of this and i know you have been too. As we get to know people and their personalities better we are able to understand a true intent, when it doesn't literally match the meaning of what was typed.
When marsteller calls you a dumb fuck you have the history with him to understand he's joking (hopefully).
If someone new came on to post and called you a dumb fuck you wouldn't know for sure where they were coming from.
words do have meaning here. they have limitations as well, but to dismiss them as meaningless, and in no way a reflection of the person behind them is incorrect.




 
trogdor57 Posted: Thu Mar 11 22:27:27 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  OK, as you so nicely supplied me with a website, I checked it out. And I have to say, if nothing else, I am impressed with the non-agressive way they point out there own particular views. However, my viewpoint has yet to be changed. It's like Chua Mui Hoong said, "It is better, I submit, to believe in something passionately even if it is wrong, than to believe in nothing at all."


 
libra Posted: Fri Mar 12 00:42:19 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor57 said:
However, my viewpoint has yet to be changed. It's like Chua Mui Hoong said, "It is better, I submit, to believe in something passionately even if it is wrong, than to believe in nothing at all."

Oooo, i really don't believe in that...It bothers me when people believe so much in something that they can't see the pros and cons behind it and other beliefs...I also don't believe that something can be that stong, that good that you can believe in in fully and wholly...I was talking to a friend about this the other day, it bothers us when people are too patriotic, too religious, too anything. Extremists scare me...I say question everything, even the things you hold most dear...


 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 03:10:40 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah...i would hate to believe in something that is wrong


 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 03:12:02 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ""I know I sound like your fucking parents. It makes me sick too.
""
yeah man, you're old.


 
Sheoul Posted: Fri Mar 12 05:42:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  chanz said:

>that line above shows the same attitute that got christianity condemned and spit on for ages in the modern world. remember. your religion is a baby religion compared to the other religions that existed before yours.
>
Don't judge Christianity based on the acts of a few who call themselves Chistians.


 
Sheoul Posted: Fri Mar 12 06:05:49 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>Oooo, i really don't believe in that...It bothers me when people believe so much in something that they can't see the pros and cons behind it and other beliefs...I also don't believe that something can be that stong, that good that you can believe in in fully and wholly...I was talking to a friend about this the other day, it bothers us when people are too patriotic, too religious, too anything. Extremists scare me...I say question everything, even the things you hold most dear...

Questioning my faith has made it so much stronger. It really IS that good. And believe me, I do look at all sides of it and at other religions...


 
addi Posted: Fri Mar 12 06:48:26 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:

>yeah man, you're old.

what an amazingly witty comeback! I'm speechless


 
trogdor57 Posted: Fri Mar 12 06:59:22 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>trogdor57 said:
> However, my viewpoint has yet to be changed. It's like Chua Mui Hoong said, "It is better, I submit, to believe in something passionately even if it is wrong, than to believe in nothing at all."
>
>Oooo, i really don't believe in that...It bothers me when people believe so much in something that they can't see the pros and cons behind it and other beliefs...I also don't believe that something can be that stong, that good that you can believe in in fully and wholly...I was talking to a friend about this the other day, it bothers us when people are too patriotic, too religious, too anything. Extremists scare me...I say question everything, even the things you hold most dear...

By extremist, are you referring to anyone who's so passionate they'd kill or what have you, or are you referring to those who have an extememly strong belief?


 
misszero Posted: Fri Mar 12 07:18:26 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  **


 
libra Posted: Fri Mar 12 10:18:25 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  trogdor57 said:

>
>By extremist, are you referring to anyone who's so passionate they'd kill or what have you, or are you referring to those who have an extememly strong belief?

The type who will let their belief affect others...maybe not in such a drastic way as killing...but because of prejudices they've gained because of their religion/belief system, or trying to go around converting others...to the extent that they ruin other people's cultures and kill...


 
trogdor57 Posted: Fri Mar 12 13:07:54 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>trogdor57 said:
>
>>
>>By extremist, are you referring to anyone who's so passionate they'd kill or what have you, or are you referring to those who have an extememly strong belief?
>
>The type who will let their belief affect others...maybe not in such a drastic way as killing...but because of prejudices they've gained because of their religion/belief system, or trying to go around converting others...to the extent that they ruin other people's cultures and kill...

Granted, I'll try to convert someone, but I'd never try and force it on someone. If it seems like I've done that, then I'm sorry. However, I'm not about to become any less passionate about it because you don't like it. Sorry.


 
Asswipe Posted: Fri Mar 12 17:32:15 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:


>
>I understand what you're saying here. the essense of what is addison is not solely in the words i type here.
>true

actually i was in a prophetic mood and playing the jesus christ role w/ the "judge not lest you be judged" shit. it was intended to be a joke. all i do is judge people, baby.

>but it's all we have to work with here as well. we can't escape the confines of communicating via words on the forum.
>therefore we have to assign meaning and intent to some degree behind the words we read and type. we process the information from what all these squigglely lines represent to our brains, and then organise them to make sense.

and in your case, quite a number of squiggly lines.

>I can't pick up on your voice inflection, or your body language, so i have to go off the words you type. I have been misunderstood because of this and i know you have been too. As we get to know people and their personalities better we are able to understand a true intent, when it doesn't literally match the meaning of what was typed.

blah blah blah

>When marsteller calls you a dumb fuck you have the history with him to understand he's joking (hopefully).
>If someone new came on to post and called you a dumb fuck you wouldn't know for sure where they were coming from.
>words do have meaning here. they have limitations as well, but to dismiss them as meaningless, and in no way a reflection of the person behind them is incorrect.
>

WORD!

love,

assWIPE


 
addi Posted: Fri Mar 12 18:10:14 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Asswipe said:

>blah blah blah

Ahhhh, at last we get to the essense of an Asswipe post:
The true WordMaster of the concise, terse, and enigmatic post. Why, it's so very clever that only he understands the true meaning behind his cleverness. I can only read in awe, Sir!


"It is a post written by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Ludwig Shakespeare

WORDY!

loveless

addiSON

*but what does it mean?!
I don't know. It's way over my head!



 
Asswipe Posted: Sat Mar 13 12:34:25 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>Asswipe said:
>
>>blah blah blah
>
>Ahhhh, at last we get to the essense of an Asswipe post:
>The true WordMaster of the concise, terse, and enigmatic post. Why, it's so very clever that only he understands the true meaning behind his cleverness. I can only read in awe, Sir!

wow, you feeling ok? i don't believe i said anything so far that should invoke such a PMSish attack.

>
>
>"It is a post written by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
>Ludwig Shakespeare
>

it is! which post is this?

>WORDY!

ah, i see now where the anger comes from. you trully dislike being criticized, eh? like how that was another criticism? but yeah, your above reply to "set me straight", or whatever, came across as a parent lecturing a kid. i sat here listening to my music turned up loud w/ your voice trailing off in the backround.

>loveless
>
>addiSON
>
>*but what does it mean?!
>I don't know. It's way over my head!
>

the last two lines here are, indeed, over my head.




 
Asswipe Posted: Sat Mar 13 12:54:09 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  also... tell me how you can understand my posts 99% of the time and then describe the true essence of my posts as being enigmatic?


 
addi Posted: Sat Mar 13 13:03:27 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  LOL!
Ass, my confused friend.
naw, you took my post entirely the wrong way. the entire thing was a tribute to you!
I was complimenting you on your conciseness and brevity. I'm way too wordy, you're right!
and the ludwig quote was referring to me, not you. I'm all blah, blah, blah, and i rarely have anything of value to add. I even signed it "WORDY".

you really should improve on interpreting my posts. You're getting your undies all bunched up for nothing.

and never forget what a very clever poster once said here:

>DRAW NO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE FROM MERE WORDS, they are meaningless.

so ultimately what i, or for that matter, anyone ever bothers to write here should just be enjoyed for its aestetic value, not any implied meaning, which doesn't even exist : )

now go be fruitful and multiply, and have a cold on me




 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 15:20:02 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ...drinkin beers beers beers....


 
trogdor57 Posted: Sat Mar 13 16:55:23 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Rollin' Fatties
Smokin' Blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

What, I can't love Jay and Silent Bob too?


 
trogdor57 Posted: Sat Mar 13 16:56:20 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  PS - I do not condone any usage of said "Blunts," except for their comical effects on people.


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 18:53:17 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  smoke a blunt, you'll like it.


 
Asswipe Posted: Sat Mar 13 20:07:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>LOL!
>Ass, my confused friend.
>naw, you took my post entirely the wrong way. the entire thing was a tribute to you!

i know this...

>I was complimenting you on your conciseness and brevity. I'm way too wordy, you're right!
>and the ludwig quote was referring to me, not you. I'm all blah, blah, blah, and i rarely have anything of value to add. I even signed it "WORDY".

my above comment, in calling you "wordy", is not to be extended beyond this example. i usually take much delight in reading your responses. perhaps i'm not wordy enough in conveying ideas because you certainly took my above response in the wrong way. I intended to say that i agree w/ you, the term "WORD" translates to "YES" or "I AGREE" or "PREACH ON SISTER" in blackanese.

>
> you really should improve on interpreting my posts. You're getting your undies all bunched up for nothing.

just trying to figure out wtf is going on...

>
>and never forget what a very clever poster once said here:
>
> >DRAW NO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT ANYONE FROM MERE WORDS, they are meaningless.

and the next line, and the history of all of my posts contradicts such words...

>
>so ultimately what i, or for that matter, anyone ever bothers to write here should just be enjoyed for its aestetic value, not any implied meaning, which doesn't even exist : )
>

aestetic value is crap, thank you for shining a flashlight on this sunny beach of knowledge for me.

>now go be fruitful and multiply, and have a cold on me


evil, evil, man


 
antartica Posted: Sun Mar 14 10:37:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  marsteller said:
>smoke a blunt, you'll like it.

for sure... for sure... =))


 



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