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DanSRose Posted: Fri Mar 12 10:59:05 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  This is just an amazing show. Yes, the sex is there and it is there between men (and women, but Lynsey and Mel make it better then normal lesbian sex), but the sex scenes are filled with plo twists and character development.
Why this has not won any awards for cinematography alone is beyond me. And the writing and direction is beyond anything on the major networks.


 
libra Posted: Fri Mar 12 11:10:06 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I love that show!




 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 13:36:54 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  that show kinda freaks me out, i don't like seeing it.


 
DanSRose Posted: Fri Mar 12 15:10:50 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Well, why? The sex? Or is it the storyline?
The bashing at the end of season 1 was a little too graphic but it was real. And the politcs in season 3 are also very very real.


 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 16:02:12 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i've only seen a few minutes of it at a gay friend's house...the guy on guy action is just like unnatural looking, bugs me out.


 
libra Posted: Fri Mar 12 16:10:55 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  why do guys get weirded out by guy on guy action, but girls don't seem to get as bothered by girl on girl action?


 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 16:15:34 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  'cause lesbianism's hot.


 
DanSRose Posted: Fri Mar 12 16:38:02 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm as dude as a dude can get. It doesn't bother me at all. It has some of the best storylines and direction there is on television.
There is also a lesbian couple who is shown having sex every once in a while (that is hot, yes), but the scenes between Brian and Justin are intense.

Guys get threatened because they think all gay men will find them irresistable and try to have sex with them. Lots of gay men find most straight repulsive, as they do not know how to take care of themselves.


 
marsteller Posted: Fri Mar 12 16:49:12 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  nah, i've been hit on by a few gay dudes in my day...had to be like "sorry man, im not gay"


 
addi Posted: Fri Mar 12 17:07:30 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  DanSRose said:

> Lots of gay men find most straight repulsive, as they do not know how to take care of themselves.

LMAO!!
as god is my witness, some day i'm going to be a straight guy that knows how to shower, shave, use deoderant, and dress by myself!!

*looks down at pants*
Oh Crap! my flys been down all day!



 
DanSRose Posted: Fri Mar 12 18:04:55 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I was talking about the majority of us males. The ones who own variations of the same clothing type, ie. sweatpants, jerseys, bad plaid work shirts.
I know I sometimes dress like crap.

I meant that as hyperbole.

The show anyway is great, even with the hot man on man action.



 
addi Posted: Fri Mar 12 18:35:28 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I know Dan. I was just laughing at the stereotype.
to which there is some truth : )


 
dan632 Posted: Fri Mar 12 19:05:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i don't like it, i refuse to try to like it. guy on guy makes me uncomfortable something cronic, and no it's not because i feel threatened that they are going to jump through the screen and arse rape me right there on my couch.
your theory of men being threatened by gay men because we think they will fin us irresistable is just pathetic and stupid. it's all about how society reaised us to tell us that homosexuality is wrong, and that it is a sin-which it isn't but that's beside the point. we were raised being told that being with a girl is the only acceptable thing to do, and being with a guy is just wrong.
me being uncomfortable about guy on guy doesn't make it wrong, nor does it make it right. too many people have already been telling PPL what's wrong and right to do, and if they begin to create a system based on a majority comfort this world will all go to shit. my discomfort with it doesn't mean i m going to go kill every gay guy i come across, it's my problem and i deal with it my own way (avoiding King's Cross), if a guy is happy with a guy then so be it, they're allowed to be like that and no1 should be telling them it's wrong. people should be able to do what they want if it makes them happy, within reason.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Mar 12 21:04:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  methinks he doth protest too much !
*lmao*


 
DanSRose Posted: Sat Mar 13 04:45:33 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Rule 1- I like hyperbole.

#2 - Modern society taught us homosexuality is dirty. Post-modern society says everything, as long as it respects natural rights, is okay. This is pluralism- the respect of and to many cultures.
That traditional aspect of sin is wrongness against God or the writ of the Bible (which sometimes or 2 different things, but I'm not touching that). The post-modern outlook on sin is in the interpretation of the act from the person or group. I catagorize 'sin' as purposeful harm towards one's self or others, ie. drug abuse, rape, murder, wearing white after Labor Day. Homosexuality is not one of these or any sort of sin.


 
mat_j Posted: Sat Mar 13 05:07:05 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Are you talking about the British show Queer as Folk or an Americanized version of it? I'm surprised they managed to sell it over there, what with all the accents and the bum sex (sorry for ragging on you guys).

Did you ever get This Life over there? because that was quite possibly one of the greatest series ever written for TV and it make me sick to my core that i didn't write it.

For all those who may have seen it, it was about a bunch of trainee lawyers living together in a house, there was Miles and Egg (Miles became my haircut role model for a few years) and there was Kira and the other girls and a gay guy called ferdy who had long hair. I think it may have been the first TV series to show Gay sex on British TV but i am probably wrong.

Anyway it was cool.


 
mat_j Posted: Sat Mar 13 05:09:53 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  DanSRose said:
>Rule 1- I like hyperbole.
>
>#2 - Modern society taught us homosexuality is dirty. Post-modern society says everything, as long as it respects natural rights, is okay. This is pluralism- the respect of and to many cultures.
>That traditional aspect of sin is wrongness against God or the writ of the Bible (which sometimes or 2 different things, but I'm not touching that). The post-modern outlook on sin is in the interpretation of the act from the person or group. I catagorize 'sin' as purposeful harm towards one's self or others, ie. drug abuse, rape, murder, wearing white after Labor Day. Homosexuality is not one of these or any sort of sin.


People always say that they could never get used to the idea of homosexuality but if they'd lived in Sparta 2,500 years ago it was compulsary. Every man had to be homosexual whilst he was in the military (and this was a military culture where absolutly every man did his time in the army).


 
dan632 Posted: Sat Mar 13 10:38:26 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  RE: DanSRose
>Sat Mar 13 09:45:11 2004 (5th Post)

did u read my post? mainly the part that goes ">it's all about how society reaised us to tell us that homosexuality is wrong, and that it is a sin-which it isn't"? i wasn't saying it is a sin, i was saying people tell us it's a sin to divert it from us-they are lying (which is a sin)

>I catagorize 'sin' as purposeful harm towards one's self or others, ie. drug abuse, rape, murder, wearing white after Labor Day.

the bible doesn't say much of that. it might, but the bible's definition of a sin doesn't include Labor Day. bible invented sin.


 
FN Posted: Sat Mar 13 11:44:44 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hmm

I must say I don't want to watch men kissing/fucking other men either.

Homosexuality (between guys at least, lesbians rule!) is just not my cup of tea.

I have NOTHING against gay people though, really, if I'd do I'd say so.

I don't feel threatened by it, wouldn't really know why, but like I said before I just don't want to see it and have to like it.

I like gays though, the more gay men there are, the more women there are for me lol.



In a nutshell you might try and compare it to somebody having to watch sports or a yodel marathon while he or she doesn't like it.


 
libra Posted: Sat Mar 13 12:28:28 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hehe, christophe's post made me think...if all the gay guys in the world were straight, you originally straight guys wouldn't have a chance when trying to get a girl to go out with you...we'd all be dating the gorgeous, well dressed, thoughtful men who can help us pick out our own outfits and decorate a house better than we do...


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 15:21:49 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah libra, but there's only so many hours in the day, and im a busy man already....


 
DanSRose Posted: Sat Mar 13 16:08:52 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  mat_j said:
>Are you talking about the British show Queer as Folk or an Americanized version of it?
>Did you ever get This Life over there?

Queer as Folk US, on ShowTime.
This Life never came over.
QaF US is much much better, in quality and storyline. The Stuart-Nathan relationship is better explained as the Brian-Justin relationship. Also, since it's been on 3 seasons now (season 4 starting in April), it's been able to go alot further in character development and storyline.


Anyway, I was talking about society and the social construct of sin and the taboo, the Biblical origin of sin. That would include the touching the skin of a dead pig (ie. a football) and being in contact during their period (how would you be able to tell that?), as well as taking the Lord's name in vain, which is done on the board quite a lot.


 
DanSRose Posted: Sat Mar 13 16:11:00 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  >and being in any contact with a woman during their period (how would you be able to tell that?)

was in need of edit


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 16:28:13 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  back in the day, when women were on their period, they had to go chill out in the menstrual tent. that's also where they birthed their little kiddies, and sometimes took care of the sick. but it was mostly for the period thing...and when there were no women around for the men to screw around with, they'd fuck the sheep in their pasture. for true, im learning bout this stuff in a bible lit class


 
libra Posted: Sat Mar 13 17:12:51 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i wonder what it'd be like if we still did that...all the women go away for about a week every month...


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 17:13:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  it'd be sports and beer week, every time. if we're not gettin laid, sports and beer are the next best thing.


 
dan632 Posted: Sat Mar 13 19:17:13 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  don't forget porno, weed and expolosives


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 20:02:39 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah, don't know what i'd do without my guns n ganja


 
simonvii Posted: Sat Mar 13 20:18:31 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>Hehe, christophe's post made me think...if all the gay guys in the world were straight, you originally straight guys wouldn't have a chance when trying to get a girl to go out with you...we'd all be dating the gorgeous, well dressed, thoughtful men who can help us pick out our own outfits and decorate a house better than we do...

first off i know this is a joke to an extent, but at the same time its getting kind of old...this taboo about gay guys being "gorgeious, well dressed, and thoughtful" makes me want to puke, its a stereotype that got them a show on tv but that is just incredibly untrue...if you ever need proof just go to a gay bar, then come back and tell us about all the well dressed thoughtful men u met there...


 
simonvii Posted: Sat Mar 13 20:20:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  the vast majority of gay guys i know are beligerently so, like "hey im gay" all the time and loud and obnoxious like those abrasive black women that always yell in the back of the movie theater


 
simonvii Posted: Sat Mar 13 20:23:07 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah so they just make me want to hit em, not cuz of who they sleep with but because they wont shut up about it, not cuz theyre gay but cuz theyre dumbasses(sorry for 3 posts but obviously this is something im a lil passionately against)


 
marsteller Posted: Sat Mar 13 22:33:41 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah, it's a strange coincidence that most gay people, or at least all the ones i've encountered, are dumbasses.


 
libra Posted: Sun Mar 14 00:26:17 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i probably shouldn't even try to respond to this topic cause it's gonna make me all annoyed...

I'm not saying that every gay guy is this perfect person, but I will say that the majority of the gay guys I know have been some of my favorite people, and i've definitely had crushes on guys who were gay.

Sooo...can we stop gay bashing for now, i'm really sick of it, its incredibly immature...


 
FN Posted: Sun Mar 14 02:01:59 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hmm

This reminds me of debates about differences between races.


It's not because you critisise something it's automaticly 'bashing'.


Somehow it seems to be an unwritten law that you can't say anything wrong about 'minority groups' or you're a bad and uneducated person.

Bullshit.


 
libra Posted: Sun Mar 14 02:12:27 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>It's not because you critisise something it's automaticly 'bashing'.
>

but there's a difference between constructive criticism and just stereotyping.

>
>Somehow it seems to be an unwritten law that you can't say anything wrong about 'minority groups' or you're a bad and uneducated person.
>
>Bullshit.

I know what you mean by this...and I guess I agree.
But the thing is that i'm kind of ultrasensitive to homophobia, because i have so many friends who are gay, and I don't like to hear them criticized.
I'm sure there's someone close to you who you wouldn't want to be criticized for something that you find totally acceptable in them...and Simon's argument isn't even well put-together...


 
DanSRose Posted: Sun Mar 14 02:45:34 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Yeah, sorry about the confusion and use of exageration for humourous purposes (doesn't work well on the 'Net)

So, anyway, Queer as Folk takes place in Pittsburgh, and is the story now 6 gay men and a lesbian couple. Former plotlines include a bashing (shown in graphic detail), AIDS, , drugs and drug abuse, discrimination, the mistreatment of the law in reference to gay parents and other situations, and relationships.




 
FN Posted: Sun Mar 14 03:33:28 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>Christophe said:
>>It's not because you critisise something it's automaticly 'bashing'.
>>
>
>but there's a difference between constructive criticism and just stereotyping.


So saying guys know to take care of themselves while most straight guys don't isn't stereotyping?



I am against negative discrimination for the most part, but I hate positive discrimination even more


 
FN Posted: Sun Mar 14 03:36:32 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  libra said:
>I'm sure there's someone close to you who you wouldn't want to be criticized for something that you find totally acceptable in them...


Like I said, I have nothing against gay guys (I don't like the extremely female kind though) but that doesn't mean they can't have any flaws.


 
marsteller Posted: Sun Mar 14 03:37:09 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah man....no way those pansies are gettin off easy


 
dan632 Posted: Sun Mar 14 03:56:13 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i can't stand those fuckers that dress up in drag and wear silver lipstick. fucking disgusts me really


 
antartica Posted: Sun Mar 14 10:27:26 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  was just talkin about this over dinner with a coupla of the Dinga Chapter GT'ers...

during clubbing we have seen 3 reali hot hot hot whoaaaa MAMA!!! girls bar top dancing and suddenly 2 of em started snogging n all us dudes around the club dropped our beer mugs... and with a few dozen thuds (was our chins sweeping the floor...) all watched the action.. and we were asking each other and the general consensus was like if it was 2 guys doing that instead. everyone would be like WHAT DA FUCK!!!



 
ifihadahif Posted: Sun Mar 14 12:47:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  gay guys are dumbasses ?
gay guys generally know how to take care of themselves ?
You guys are all dumbasses and apparently haven't known a lot of gay people.
if you take the gay community as a whole, you will find people from all walks of life and religious persuasions.
you will find effeminate guys and guys who will kick the shit out of you. you will find athletes, military men of honor, thieves, thugs, preachers, taxi drivers, lawyers, doctors, construction workers and everything else you can think of.
the gays you guys are mentioning are just the tip of the iceberg and to be honest, the loudest of the group as a whole.
But my point is, that the gay community is pretty much a reflection of our society.


 
libra Posted: Sun Mar 14 13:25:56 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  wow, i agree with hif...crazy madness...

that's sort of what i was trying to get at...i was joking when i said that all gay guys have impeccable style sense, as i've seen some that don't as well...not too many, but some...


 



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