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Heroes or Martyrs ? How about Assholes.
ifihadahif Posted: Mon May 10 13:52:49 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Voice For Killing

By David Bedein
May 10, 2004



Palestine Authority radio, known as the PBC "VOICE OF PALESTINE", remains the most influential media tool in the hands of the Palestinian government. It has been in business ten years as the official voice of the Palestinian people and since the genesis of Palestinian Authority self-rule.

You hear the VOICE OF PALESTINE everywhere in the Arab street. It sets the public tone.

VOICE OF PALESTINE was founded by Yassir Arafat and overseen by the highest echelons of the nascent Palestinian Authority, providing radio feeds that are played in every Arab marketplace and every home in areas ruled by the PA. The radio airwaves for the VOICE OF PALESTINE were provided for the PA from Israel's Ministry of Communications with the idea that the Palestinians would be able to broadcast messages of "peace" on their own radio and in their own language.

Despite this, during the past ten years, The VOICE OF PALESTINE has consistently praised Arab terror attacks.

Last week was no exception, when all of Israel stood in shock at the Arab terror drive-by murder of a pregnant woman and her four little girls. Two Arab terrorists executed each little girl at point blank range with a shot to each one's head, the youngest child being only a two-year-old, after they first blew their mother to bits. The murders were witnessed by a CNN crew who watched with horror only 30 meters away. Mike Swartz, the CNN producer, had the good sense to use his vehicle to block any further traffic from driving into the terror trap on the highway. Israeli soldiers who arrived on the scene were able to kill the Arab terrorists, but not before the four little girls in the van had been finished off by their murderers.

Dr. Michael Widlanski, an Arabic media expert at the Hebrew University, formerly a reporter for the New York Times and the Cox Syndicate in Jerusalem, who is also an academic who recently completed his PhD on the subject of Palestinian Authority media, listened carefully to The Voice of Palestine during the hours that followed the attack.

The VOICE OF PALESTINE described the men who carried out the attack that left a pregnant mother and her four children dead as "an act of heroic martyrdom." The VOICE OF PALESTINE radio station repeatedly used the term "is tish-had" (heroic martyrdom in Arabic) and "mustash-hidin" (heroic martyrs) to describe the act committed by "two youths". After reporting the attackers’ names, the radio repeated again that they were heroic martyrs. Widlanski recorded the VOP constantly referring to the victims of the shooting attack only as "five settlers" without mentioning that the attack claimed that they were a pregnant woman and her four children.

The Monday morning broadcast of the Voice of Palestine added that that the five “settlers” who were killed were "mukharibun" - terrorists. The reference to the settlers as “terrorists” was in a VOICE OF PALESTINE report that the settlers were preparing to build a new neighborhood in a settlement near Gaza. Once again, VOICE OF PALESTINE did not condemn the attack that killed a pregnant mother and her four children, but did vigorously condemn the "cowardly act" by Israel of attacking a Hamas radio station which had exhorted Palestinians to carry out further attacks against Israelis. There were no reported Arab casualties in that Israeli attack.

Meanwhile, Palestinian Media Watch reported that the Palestinian Authority's official daily newspaper glorified yet another murderer - a man who was responsible for a cold-blooded murder of an Israeli father and his 2 daughters, labelling him "a beacon of light for generations to come." Palestine Media Watch, an agency that translates Arab broadcasts, noted that "According to the daily newspaper , 'Al-Hayat Al-Jadida', Samir Quntar, the murderer of Dani Haran and his two daughters in Nahariya in 1979, is a Palestinian hero and 'authentic role model'..."(sic).

Palestine Media Watch further quoted the following statement which appeared in the PA official daily newspaper: "Samir Quntar, a name of pride in the history of the prisoners of the [Palestinian] national movement. A name that he created, during the resistance in Lebanon and the hours of heroism in Nahariya [the terrrorist attack in which Dani Haran and his daughters were murdered]. A name that is written in the blood that dripped in the interrogation dungeons. [Quntar] wrote the noble history of this name in letters of fire and light during the battles of the struggle! [Quntar] was and will continue to be a beacon of light for us and for the generations to come and an authentic role model. Every day that passes Samir's pride grows, and our pride in him grows greater and greater." [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, May, 6, 2004]

So there you have it. The official media outlet of the Palestinian Authority, an entity with diplomatic relations with 138 nations around the world, endorses the cold-blooded murder of parents and their children.

That is the same Palestinian Authority which receives direct aid from all of the western democracies, including the USA to the tune of more than 10 billion dollars in its ten years of existence. The United States taxpayer used to fund Palestinian Television also until word got out about children's shows teaching small children to become martyrs.


For the past week, the U.S. State Department was asked if it would condemn the PA’s official media outlet, THE VOICE OF PALESTINE for endorsing the cold-blooded murder of a pregnant mother and her four children and no answer was received.

Meanwhile, the U.S. State Department did issue a statement in which it states that it “expects” the Palestinian Authority to fight terrorism. A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv was asked what basis the U.S. had for assuming the “expectation” that the PA would fight terrorism would be heeded?

The answer from the U.S. State Department spokesman: “Because they committed themselves to doing so.”

The U.S. government does not feel under much pressure to condemn the Palestine Authority for directing its official media outlet to praise, justify and glorify those who would murder a pregnant mother and her four little girls.

And why no pressure? The answer is simple: Not one U.S. news outlet reported that the PA praised, justified and glorified this week's cold-blooded murder of a pregnant woman and her four children. If people don't know about it, why worry about it?

There are times when only the news that fits a future peace process will get printed, even as the blood flows.

Now readers of this article know what the VOICE OF PALESTINE and the official Palestinian Authority newspaper really communicate to their people, perhaps those readers will be motivated to contact the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, Dr. Daniel Kurtzer, one of the architects of the Oslo Process, to ask him why the U.S. cannot at the bare minimum condemn the Palestine Authority for inciting its own people in its own language to murder innocent human beings.


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David Bedein is the bureau chief of the Israel Resource News Agency, located at the Beit Agron International Press Center in Jerusalem.



 
marsteller Posted: Mon May 10 14:43:56 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah, fuck those asshole camel-jockeys


 
Mark Posted: Mon May 10 16:05:05 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Propaganda. We think it is sic (or at least I do), but to them it is normal. The herd loves it and there is nothing we can do about it. To bad they take on kids and (pregnant)women...imho it is weak, pathetic. But it works, they create fear.


 
Zacq Posted: Mon May 10 16:47:32 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Wolffie said:
>Propaganda. We think it is sic (or at least I do), but to them it is normal. The herd loves it and there is nothing we can do about it.

Um... it doesn't only happen in the Middle East.

Just to a much higher and more noticeable degree there.


 
Mark Posted: Mon May 10 16:52:06 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:
>Wolffie said:
>>Propaganda. We think it is sic (or at least I do), but to them it is normal. The herd loves it and there is nothing we can do about it.
>
>Um... it doesn't only happen in the Middle East.
>
>Just to a much higher and more noticeable degree there.
True. It happens everywhere. In the western world everybody was told communism was bad and stuff like that (and most bought it). The statement about it being sick was about the cheering of the killers of the girls and pregnant woman.


 
FN Posted: Mon May 10 17:24:40 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>David Bedein is the bureau chief of the Israel Resource News Agency, located at the Beit Agron International Press Center in Jerusalem.


Well I haven't had the time to read this, had a shitload of work to do for tomorrow, but I can tell you one thing, whatever it is: biased.


 
Zacq Posted: Mon May 10 17:39:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  What I meant was that the propaganda seems perfectly normal to those people and for many it would never occur to them it might be false... which is sort of like other countries.

Screw hinting. I'm saying that even in the U. S., we are told stuff that isn't true, and is essentially propaganda, by the government, school, etc... Just like in Palestine, most people never realize that it might not be true.


 
addi Posted: Mon May 10 18:00:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  good point Zacq. I think we've become very sophisticated with our propoganda. We're raised in the middle of it and it's so subtle that it's had to detect unless you're actually thinking (that's a rarity here sometimes i think). In other countries like North Korea we look at what the people are being told and it's so bloody obvious that it's lies. We get it in our head that that's what propaganda is, and if it comes out to us here in a different form it must not be deceptive propaganda.

A non-smelly fart is still a fart. It's just harder to detect.


 
Zacq Posted: Mon May 10 18:29:58 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I looked right past your icon at first, but then I grew curious and clicked on it.

Nice Christophe splicing.


 
addi Posted: Mon May 10 18:56:14 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:

>Nice Christophe splicing.

takke! (thats thank you in some language)

good splicing is a gift from god, you know
: )


 
FN Posted: Tue May 11 15:21:45 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:
>Screw hinting. I'm saying that even in the U. S., we are told stuff that isn't true, and is essentially propaganda, by the government, school, etc...

"even in the US"...


lmao


 
FN Posted: Tue May 11 15:26:04 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I wonder fi you know about "commando solo" and some of it's features, especially this one:

Commando Solo conducts psychological operations and civil affairs broadcast missions in the standard AM, FM, HF, TV, and military communications bands.

With the capability to control the electronic spectrum of radio, television, and military communication bands in a focused area, the Commando Solo aircraft can prepare the battlefield through psychological operations and civil affairs broadcasts.



More info:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ec-130e.htm


 
Zacq Posted: Tue May 11 15:45:04 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The most frustrating thing that has become part of our society (and many others) is that everybody views arguing as a bad thing. No one looks at it as a way of exchanging information so you can make a more informed, intelligent decision. Everyone around me, for the most part, has accepted the mentality that there's no use in complaining or arguing because things probably aren't going to change anyway.

Society has inadvertently developed an advanced way of stopping revolution, by indirectly making going against the grain seem wrong to us rather than just trying to convince us that everything is good.


 
FN Posted: Tue May 11 15:47:35 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:
>The most frustrating thing that has become part of our society (and many others) is that everybody views arguing as a bad thing.

I don't...


 
Zacq Posted: Tue May 11 15:54:26 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Zacq said:
>>The most frustrating thing that has become part of our society (and many others) is that everybody views arguing as a bad thing.
>
>I don't...

See? To get in some good arguing, I have to go on a message board with people from all over the place.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Tue May 11 16:04:55 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:
>The most frustrating thing that has become part of our society (and many others) is that everybody views arguing as a bad thing. No one looks at it as a way of exchanging information so you can make a more informed, intelligent decision. Everyone around me, for the most part, has accepted the mentality that there's no use in complaining or arguing because things probably aren't going to change anyway.
>
>Society has inadvertently developed an advanced way of stopping revolution, by indirectly making going against the grain seem wrong to us rather than just trying to convince us that everything is good.
>
It would seem that you have never observed a session of Congress or the House of Commons.


 
Zacq Posted: Tue May 11 16:09:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>It would seem that you have never observed a session of Congress or the House of Commons.

I'm not talking about the government, I'm saying that the average people in the country are instilled with the concept early on that for the most part, complaining is bad and arguments are as well. A major part is that people get angry when they argue, which they shouldn't as it is a benficial process.


 
mat_j Posted: Wed May 12 07:20:54 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Zacq said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>It would seem that you have never observed a session of Congress or the House of Commons.
>
>I'm not talking about the government, I'm saying that the average people in the country are instilled with the concept early on that for the most part, complaining is bad and arguments are as well. A major part is that people get angry when they argue, which they shouldn't as it is a benficial process.

Here here Zacq! I totally agree with you, i have discussions with so many people who get so cross they want to hit me or so upset they just agree with me, when did the distinction between argument and debate became so blurred that a friends ex lady friend asked me why i hated her becuase of what she believes in!


 
addi Posted: Wed May 12 07:48:43 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  arguments, discussions, debates,(whatever you want to call them) break down when one of the parties involved takes offence that the person they're talking to acually has the unmitigated gall to hold a differing point of view. Some people just can not deal with others disagreeing with them.
Debates also disintegrate into chaos when one of the parties decides that he has to make his point by shouting in the other persons face, and ending his statement of logic with "you dumb shit!", or some other appropriate choice of words.

In order for a discussion to be beneficial usually both parties have to listen and be open to the opposing perspective of the other person. that requires emotional maturity and self confidence.

general stereotype here, but many males usually resort to plan B at a certain point in an argument with another male, and that's to settle it by getting physical, because beating the shit out of another person automatically makes him right, even when he's wrong : )


 
mat_j Posted: Wed May 12 08:07:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  YEAH I KNOW YOU DUMB SHIT!


 
addi Posted: Wed May 12 08:43:52 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  mat_j said:
>YEAH I KNOW YOU DUMB SHIT!

Oh, Yeah?! Well my whiney little celtic friend, if I was over there in person right now i'd let you beat all that dumb shit right out of me!!


 
choke Posted: Fri May 14 04:37:02 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ..now now children..


 



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