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ifihadahif Posted: Tue Sep 20 13:20:01 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Random thoughts
Thomas Sowell

September 20, 2005

Random thoughts on the passing scene:

Different people have different ideas about humility. One man said: "I don't think I'm half as good as I know I really am."

What can we be certain of from history? That human beings have been wrong innumerable times, by vast amounts, and with catastrophic results. Yet today there are still people who think that anyone who disagrees with them must be either bad or not know what he is talking about.

Each day, as I take various pills, I realize that without those pills I might not be alive -- and, if I were, life would not be worth living. Yet those who produce these medications are under constant attack from people who produce nothing.

Students can graduate from even the most prestigious colleges and universities wholly unaware that there are not simply different opinions about particular issues but a whole comprehensive framework of ideas and analysis through which those issues can be seen in a way that leads to very different conclusions from the ones their professors have taught or insinuated.

Do the people who are making so much noise about the difficulties of creating a constitution in Iraq have any awareness that it was 13 years after the Declaration of Independence before the Constitution of the United States was created?

When Ronald Reagan said that the government was spending money like a drunken sailor, he apologized to the sailors, who were after all spending their own money.

Sometimes marriages break up, not because there are any big problems, but because every little problem becomes a confrontation and an impasse.

Not only does the passage of time produce knowledge, it also produces ignorance. You would have to be about 50 years old to remember what the situation was like before Roe v. Wade. As the passage of time removes people with first-hand knowledge of an earlier era, they are replaced by people ignorant of those times and therefore easy targets for demagogues.

In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities.

One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.

Sports are the reason I am out of shape. I watch them all on TV.

A husband should not teach his wife to drive and a wife should not teach her husband to drive. Driving lessons are a lot cheaper than a divorce.

E-mail from a reader: "Here is Washington, we are looking at another round of teacher strikes because they want us to pay them more. And the literature they give us explaining their views contains so many errors in grammar and spelling that it really makes you wonder why we pay them at all."

I hate having some recorded voice telling me how much my phone call is valued, while they send me through a maze of numbers to push, and keep me waiting forever, before I can reach a human being.

It is a shame that ancient history is seldom taught in our schools. Finding out that people thousands of years ago were basically pretty much the way they are today -- people of every race, color, creed, national origin, political ideology and sexual orientation -- would reduce our chances of having Utopian hopes for big changes any time soon.

Is there a music video of "The Grand Canyon Suite"? This music seems ideal for a video, since it was written to depict things happening at the Grand Canyon.

With various people complaining about "price gouging" as gasoline prices rise and as higher prices are charged for other things in areas struck by hurricanes, economist Walter Williams has coined a new term: "Tax gouging." But government is never accused of either "greed" or "gouging" -- not even when they bulldoze people's homes in order to turn the land over to businesses that will pay more taxes.






 
addi Posted: Wed Sep 21 08:19:34 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I saw this no reply thread and I just felt like it was lonely and needed some attention...so I posted a reply to keep it company.
(no need to thank me, hif)

ifihadahif said:

>One man said: "I don't think I'm half as good as I know I really am."

But I know I'm half as bad as I think I really am.

*don't think about it.

> What can we be certain of from history? That human beings have been wrong innumerable times, by vast amounts, and with catastrophic results. Yet today there are still people who think that anyone who disagrees with them must be either bad or not know what he is talking about.

So true. Anyone that disagrees with that statement is bad and doesn't know what they're talking about!

> Each day, as I take various pills, I realize that without those pills I might not be alive -- and, if I were, life would not be worth living. Yet those who produce these medications are under constant attack from people who produce nothing.

Well, this one is just dumb. "Constant attack"? As if the only ones that ever complain about pharmaceutical companies are people that haven't produced anything in their life. Thank god we have authorities monitering businesses here.

> Students can graduate from even the most prestigious colleges and universities wholly unaware that there are not simply different opinions about particular issues but a whole comprehensive framework of ideas and analysis through which those issues can be seen in a way that leads to very different conclusions from the ones their professors have taught or insinuated.

No! Really? Wow...that was a flash of insight.
"I see stupid people."
: )

> Do the people who are making so much noise about the difficulties of creating a constitution in Iraq have any awareness that it was 13 years after the Declaration of Independence before the Constitution of the United States was created?

Another really dumb one. Comparing the historical circumstances between writing the U.S. constitution and the Iraq constitution is like comparing the Faulkland Island invasion to world war I. Apples to oranges, Mr. Sowell.

> When Ronald Reagan said that the government was spending money like a drunken sailor, he apologized to the sailors, who were after all spending their own money.

When Ronald Reagan said "I don't believe a tree is a tree and if you've seen one you've seen them all", he apologized to the trees, who were after all quite pissed off.

> Sometimes marriages break up, not because there are any big problems, but because every little problem becomes a confrontation and an impasse.

Yup


> Not only does the passage of time produce knowledge, it also produces ignorance. You would have to be about 50 years old to remember what the situation was like before Roe v. Wade. As the passage of time removes people with first-hand knowledge of an earlier era, they are replaced by people ignorant of those times and therefore easy targets for demagogues.

Applaude. Historical shortsightedness dooms us. I wish Bush had a better grasp on recent history.

> In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities.

True. This makes me feel better about calling Jerry Falwell a fucking bigot.

> One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.

I'm actually not a fan of entitlement programs in general, but his characterization of entitlement recipients as lazy non-contributors makes me nervous. Some are that way, and some aren't.

> Sports are the reason I am out of shape. I watch them all on TV.

What can I say? Clever, cute, and just precious.
: )

> A husband should not teach his wife to drive and a wife should not teach her husband to drive. Driving lessons are a lot cheaper than a divorce.

True. I wonder how he feels about a woman teaching her husband cunnaligus. Hmm...

> E-mail from a reader: "Here is Washington, we are looking at another round of teacher strikes because they want us to pay them more. And the literature they give us explaining their views contains so many errors in grammar and spelling that it really makes you wonder why we pay them at all."

I have worked with a few teachers that had no business being in the field. That said, the meager amount paid to competant public school teachers nationwide is a tragedy, and a litmus test to our fucked up national priorities.

> I hate having some recorded voice telling me how much my phone call is valued, while they send me through a maze of numbers to push, and keep me waiting forever, before I can reach a human being.

He must be the only one that hates this. I think everyone else enjoys it.
: )

> It is a shame that ancient history is seldom taught in our schools. Finding out that people thousands of years ago were basically pretty much the way they are today -- people of every race, color, creed, national origin, political ideology and sexual orientation -- would reduce our chances of having Utopian hopes for big changes any time soon.

He shares my general pessimism about humans in this one.

> Is there a music video of "The Grand Canyon Suite"? This music seems ideal for a video, since it was written to depict things happening at the Grand Canyon.

too silly to comment on

> With various people complaining about "price gouging" as gasoline prices rise and as higher prices are charged for other things in areas struck by hurricanes, economist Walter Williams has coined a new term: "Tax gouging." But government is never accused of either "greed" or "gouging" -- not even when they bulldoze people's homes in order to turn the land over to businesses that will pay more taxes.

I accused the government once of tax gouging, but I was in the shower and the windows were closed so they didn't hear me.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Sep 21 08:42:36 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>>
>> Each day, as I take various pills, I realize that without those pills I might not be alive -- and, if I were, life would not be worth living. Yet those who produce these medications are under constant attack from people who produce nothing.
>
>Well, this one is just dumb. "Constant attack"? As if the only ones that ever complain about pharmaceutical companies are people that haven't produced anything in their life. Thank god we have authorities monitering businesses here.
>
I think he was talking about overlitigous lawyers who produce nothing but lawsuits.


>> Do the people who are making so much noise about the difficulties of creating a constitution in Iraq have any awareness that it was 13 years after the Declaration of Independence before the Constitution of the United States was created?
>
>Another really dumb one. Comparing the historical circumstances between writing the U.S. constitution and the Iraq constitution is like comparing the Faulkland Island invasion to world war I. Apples to oranges, Mr. Sowell.
>
I think it faily illustrates how difficult it can be to produce a constitution in any circumstances. It took us 13yrs and we were pretty well united in our thinking. We didn't have to worry about Shia, Sunni, and Kurd preferences as they do in Iraq.
This being said, don't you think it's a bit absurd to expect them to produce a constitution in a year or two or three ?
>
>>>> Not only does the passage of time produce knowledge, it also produces ignorance. You would have to be about 50 years old to remember what the situation was like before Roe v. Wade. As the passage of time removes people with first-hand knowledge of an earlier era, they are replaced by people ignorant of those times and therefore easy targets for demagogues.
>
>Applaude. Historical shortsightedness dooms us. I wish Bush had a better grasp on recent history.
>
Actually he did see what 50yrs of liberal control of both houses of congress can produce. Duh. LOL

>> In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities.
>
>True. This makes me feel better about calling Jerry Falwell a fucking bigot.
>
I don't know if he's a bigot, but he is a dumbass with a really big head.

>> One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.
>
>I'm actually not a fan of entitlement programs in general, but his characterization of entitlement recipients as lazy non-contributors makes me nervous. Some are that way, and some aren't.
>
Actully his statement is not about the recipients but the consequences of the entitlements themselves.
But the sad fact is that not all, but most are non-contributors.
Have you ever been to the projects ?
spent any time there ? Lately ?

>
>> A husband should not teach his wife to drive and a wife should not teach her husband to drive. Driving lessons are a lot cheaper than a divorce.
>
>True. I wonder how he feels about a woman teaching her husband cunnaligus. Hmm...
>
That should be cunnilingus, and who better to teach it ?

>> E-mail from a reader: "Here is Washington, we are looking at another round of teacher strikes because they want us to pay them more. And the literature they give us explaining their views contains so many errors in grammar and spelling that it really makes you wonder why we pay them at all."
>
>I have worked with a few teachers that had no business being in the field. That said, the meager amount paid to competant public school teachers nationwide is a tragedy, and a litmus test to our fucked up national priorities.
>
True, teachers are underpaid and their administrators are overpaid.
I think they should have special express lanes at stores for teachers and veterans.





 
FN Posted: Wed Sep 21 09:36:24 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>> In this era of political correctness, some people seem unaware that being squeamish about words can mean being blind to realities.
>
>True. This makes me feel better about calling Jerry Falwell a fucking bigot.

I agree with that too.

>> One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.
>
>I'm actually not a fan of entitlement programs in general, but his characterization of entitlement recipients as lazy non-contributors makes me nervous. Some are that way, and some aren't.

We have that problem here too, overprotective social security and the pampering of minorities of all kinds is coming to bite people in the ass and draining the economy.

>> Sports are the reason I am out of shape. I watch them all on TV.
>
>What can I say? Clever, cute, and just precious.
>: )

Funny.

>> It is a shame that ancient history is seldom taught in our schools. Finding out that people thousands of years ago were basically pretty much the way they are today -- people of every race, color, creed, national origin, political ideology and sexual orientation -- would reduce our chances of having Utopian hopes for big changes any time soon.
>
>He shares my general pessimism about humans in this one.

So what do you guys see in history class in high school and stuff.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Sep 21 09:46:39 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:

>So what do you guys see in history class in high school and stuff.
>
We are taught that Belgium is the root of all of man's suffering in this world.
They have filled the world with fries and chocolate in their evil bid for world domination.
The evil bastards also gave us Jean Claude Vandamme !


 
addi Posted: Wed Sep 21 09:56:35 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>I think he was talking about overlitigous lawyers who produce nothing but lawsuits.

"Yet those who produce these medications are under constant attack from people who produce nothing."

He must have called you and said he was only referring to lawyers here : )


>I think it faily illustrates how difficult it can be to produce a constitution in any circumstances. It took us 13yrs and we were pretty well united in our thinking. We didn't have to worry about Shia, Sunni, and Kurd preferences as they do in Iraq.

First of all we used the Articles of Confederation as our "constitution" during that time. Secondly, we were anything but united. The differences between the federalists and the anti-federalists were major. It's a minor miracle that both sides were willing to compromise and reach an agreement at all.

>This being said, don't you think it's a bit absurd to expect them to produce a constitution in a year or two or three ?

Yes I do. It's absurd Bush is putting them under an unrealistic timetable considering the obsticles they face...just so he can save face and point to "progress" being made.


>Actully his statement is not about the recipients but the consequences of the entitlements themselves.

So when he states, "...is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence" he's not making any judgement about entitlement recipients? Hmm...

>But the sad fact is that not all, but most are non-contributors.

You really shouldn't state things as "fact" unless you back it up with some kind of reliable sources. The above statement is nothing more than your opinion, which may or may not be true, but it's hardly a fact.

>Have you ever been to the projects ?
>spent any time there ? Lately ?

Quite an illogical leap you make here, hif. Is your implication that if there had never been any entitlement programs then we wouldn't have any slums, projects, or ghettos?


>I think they should have special express lanes at stores for teachers and veterans.

sounds suspiciously like an entitlement program for teachers and veterans. It may lead to more projects and non-contributors.
: )


 
FN Posted: Wed Sep 21 10:27:55 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>The evil bastards also gave us Jean Claude Vandamme !

Yeah, and America retalliated with Schwarzenegger.

Which could be translated as black nigger, by the way.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Sep 21 10:33:23 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>I think he was talking about overlitigous lawyers who produce nothing but lawsuits.
>
>"Yet those who produce these medications are under constant attack from people who produce nothing."
>
>He must have called you and said he was only referring to lawyers here : )
>
You're just jealous because he didn't call you first.

>>I think it fairly illustrates how difficult it can be to produce a constitution in any circumstances. It took us 13yrs and we were pretty well united in our thinking. We didn't have to worry about Shia, Sunni, and Kurd preferences as they do in Iraq.
>
>First of all we used the Articles of Confederation as our "constitution" during that time. Secondly, we were anything but united. The differences between the federalists and the anti-federalists were major. It's a minor miracle that both sides were willing to compromise and reach an agreement at all.
>
I'll give you that but we were far more united than the Iraqis. Our differences were merely political in nature.
>>This being said, don't you think it's a bit absurd to expect them to produce a constitution in a year or two or three ?
>
>Yes I do. It's absurd Bush is putting them under an unrealistic timetable considering the obsticles they face...just so he can save face and point to "progress" being made.
>
Dubya must have called you and told you his reasons for his timetable. :-)

>>Actully his statement is not about the recipients but the consequences of the entitlements themselves.
>
>So when he states, "...is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence" he's not making any judgement about entitlement recipients? Hmm...
>
Perhaps, perhaps not, but if anyone is qualified to make those judgements, it would be Mr. Sowell, don't you think ?

>>But the sad fact is that not all, but most are non-contributors.
>
>You really shouldn't state things as "fact" unless you back it up with some kind of reliable sources. The above statement is nothing more than your opinion, which may or may not be true, but it's hardly a fact.
>
>>Have you ever been to the projects ?
>>spent any time there ? Lately ?
>
>Quite an illogical leap you make here, hif. Is your implication that if there had never been any entitlement programs then we wouldn't have any slums, projects, or ghettos?
>
Don't be ridiculous, I never implied that. I merely implied that is the main repository of entitlement recipients. Nothing illogical there.

>>I think they should have special express lanes at stores for teachers and veterans.
>
>sounds suspiciously like an entitlement program for teachers and veterans. It may lead to more projects and non-contributors.
>: )
True, but if you look at some of our test scores, you will see that a lot of our teachers are already non-contributors.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Sep 21 10:35:05 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>The evil bastards also gave us Jean Claude Vandamme !
>
>Yeah, and America retalliated with Schwarzenegger.
>
>Which could be translated as black nigger, by the way.
>
No, Austria gave us Schwarzenegger.


 
addi Posted: Wed Sep 21 10:36:29 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:

>black nigger

redundant


anyway the literal german translation for Schwarzenegger is "Black see through nightie". I'm sure of it.

: )


 
FN Posted: Wed Sep 21 10:37:08 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Yeah I know, but America was the one who used chose to deploy it.

Kind of like the guys in Afghanistan who learned stuff from the CIA and then turned it against them ;o)


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Sep 21 13:21:02 2005 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Yeah I know, but America was the one who used chose to deploy it.
>
Well, we didn't have much choice, John Wayne was dead, and Stallone's English is worse than Arnold's.


 



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