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FN Posted: Fri Jan 18 07:26:17 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  who are you backing and why


ron paul seems like my kind of guy from the limited info I have


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Jan 18 07:40:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Fred Thompson, because he's really tall.


 
Posted: Fri Jan 18 09:23:13 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>who are you backing and why
>
>
>ron paul seems like my kind of guy from the limited info I have

I don't hate the working class enough to vote for Ron Paul. Also, he doesn't quite believe in evolution: that's sort of a no-no for me.

-----

Besides, I'm not sure it matters.

People are fed up with the broken economy and will put that on the shoulders of the Bush administration when they go to vote (not placing blame here, just saying where the voters will place it).

They'll come to realize that the all-time low deficit came into play when Bush took over the white house, and that it came after Clinton's terms where America saw it's greatest surplus in history.

So, they'll vote for a Democrat who promises change.

And sadly, that democrat will realize how little money (s)he actually has, and will have to raise taxes by the slightest extent.

And America will get all up in arms and Rush Limbaugh will call him/her a tax-and-spend democrat and they'll be voted out in 2012 in favor of another republican.

----

That's why I'm apathetic.


 
FN Posted: Fri Jan 18 09:52:43 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The fun of a biparty system I guess


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Jan 18 11:32:08 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  CriminalSaint said:
>And America will get all up in arms and Rush Limbaugh will call him/her a tax-and-spend democrat and they'll be voted out in 2012 in favor of another republican.
>
Are you actually crediting Rush Limbaugh with the ability to get someone voted out of office ?


 
Mesh Posted: Fri Jan 18 12:10:58 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I want to vote! :(

I've been paying a lot of attention, reading up on all of them, learning their platforms but also reading about their political/business/personal histories to try and better gauge what/who they REALLY stand for, and my consensus is basically this:

America is fucked, do you want the ten inch cock in your ass or the eleven inch? You have a choice! Go out and vote!






Needs moar partys.


 
beetlebum Posted: Fri Jan 18 18:03:05 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  i can see why people would be apathetic; i'm not, though. apathy only serves as an excuse to be lazy. everyone should care, and america is far from hopeless. why is it that every generation seems to suffer from lack of optimism, and even more so today when the standard of living is so high?

and i don't think america is fucked at all, unless fucked just means that things aren't perfect. i mean, america was founded upon a violent act of rebellion. if americans can survive and overcome the problems surrounding rapid expansion west, presidential impeachment, the lawlessness of the wild west even after all territories were brought into statehood, unregulated immigration for most of its history, the women's suffrage movement which was heavily resisted and shook up the political scene, an industrial revolution that transformed the economy beyond what anyone could have imagined thirty years prior, a bloody civil war that until wwii boasted the highest casualty number of any war in which america has fought and now ranks second after wwii, the end of slavery and its economic fallout, the lack of stock market regulation and the great depression (when unemployment was far greater than anything my generation has ever seen, there was no unemployment wage, and the economy far more depressed), the political machine and the mob, two world wars, japanese internment, cold war nuclear bombing drills, the civil rights movement, the assassination of two presidents, fighting in korea, the long, drawn-out war of vietnam, the mccarthy era witch hunts, nixon, reaganomics, carter, 17 constitutional amendments after the Bill of Rights, and a federal system working with a two party system which has meant a royal mess of politics from the very beginning,

well,

i think america is doing alright for herself.

i'm not ready to give up hope yet.




 
Kira Posted: Fri Jan 18 23:39:49 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm voting for Beetlebum.


 
FN Posted: Sat Jan 19 06:36:31 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  She reminds me of mighty mouse when she gets riled up


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sat Jan 19 08:40:05 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  beetlebum said:
>i can see why people would be apathetic; i'm not, though. apathy only serves as an excuse to be lazy. everyone should care, and america is far from hopeless. why is it that every generation seems to suffer from lack of optimism, and even more so today when the standard of living is so high?
>
>and i don't think america is fucked at all, unless fucked just means that things aren't perfect. i mean, america was founded upon a violent act of rebellion. if americans can survive and overcome the problems surrounding rapid expansion west, presidential impeachment, the lawlessness of the wild west even after all territories were brought into statehood, unregulated immigration for most of its history, the women's suffrage movement which was heavily resisted and shook up the political scene, an industrial revolution that transformed the economy beyond what anyone could have imagined thirty years prior, a bloody civil war that until wwii boasted the highest casualty number of any war in which america has fought and now ranks second after wwii, the end of slavery and its economic fallout, the lack of stock market regulation and the great depression (when unemployment was far greater than anything my generation has ever seen, there was no unemployment wage, and the economy far more depressed), the political machine and the mob, two world wars, japanese internment, cold war nuclear bombing drills, the civil rights movement, the assassination of two presidents, fighting in korea, the long, drawn-out war of vietnam, the mccarthy era witch hunts, nixon, reaganomics, carter, 17 constitutional amendments after the Bill of Rights, and a federal system working with a two party system which has meant a royal mess of politics from the very beginning,
>
>well,
>
>i think america is doing alright for herself.
>
>i'm not ready to give up hope yet.
>
Awesome post Beetlebum ! It seems every generation since the beginning bemoans the same dissatisfaction with politics and politicians and says the whole machine sucks.

Yet the machine keeps chugging away doesn't it ?

It will never be perfect. . . . too many different points of view out there for that to be possible, but it does seem to be working pretty damn well.

With few exceptions, every generation has lived better than their parents did.

My grandparents were solid middle class, but their standard of living in their own time would place them below the poverty line today.

BTW, there have been 4 American presidents assassinated in office.


 
beetlebum Posted: Sat Jan 19 09:49:03 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Kira said:
>I'm voting for Beetlebum.

aw shucks. :)


 
beetlebum Posted: Sat Jan 19 09:49:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>She reminds me of mighty mouse when she gets riled up

ha! i would appreciate you not comparing me to vermin, however mighty. hmph.


 
beetlebum Posted: Sat Jan 19 09:51:17 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>
>BTW, there have been 4 American presidents assassinated in office.

oops! i was thinking lincoln + kennedy; i forgot about garfield and mckinley. (they were assassinated too, weren't they?)

for shame! lol.



 
everyday_daisy Posted: Sun Jan 20 10:13:22 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm not American. :(

But that doesn't mean I don't care.


 
addi Posted: Sun Jan 20 10:48:10 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  my chinese animal signs are a mix between a rabbit and a goat...which means I'm generally a positive, upbeat, looking for the best in a situation type guy.
generally
not in this case
America is fucked up royaly right now, and anyone telling me differently is looking at reality through rose colored glasses
the optimist in me wants to believe it's not beyond repair, but that's based on nothing more substancial than wishful thinking, a hope and a dream.


 
addi Posted: Sun Jan 20 13:32:09 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  nevertheless....I do concur with the others here BBum...good post and well said, even if we don't see eye to eye on this.


 
beetlebum Posted: Sun Jan 20 14:12:01 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>nevertheless....I do concur with the others here BBum...good post and well said, even if we don't see eye to eye on this.

no worries, addi. like i said, i can see why people would think it is hopeless. i suppose hope is rarely based upon on anything substantial, anyway.



 
Ahriman Posted: Sun Jan 20 20:46:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Obama.


 
DanSRose Posted: Mon Jan 21 03:59:31 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  One of the many reasons I am not voting for Hillary Clinton in the coming primaries is that she is not worth it. She also has been a lousy senator for my state, being very busy not following up state needs and getting ready to run.
Another thing that seriously bothers me about the possibility of HRC being in office is a foundation of a dynasty. If she is the Democratic candidate and wins the general election, we will have either 24 or 28 years of two families governing the nation. That creeps me out. It goes hand in hand as she is running on her husband's legacy. Slogans and chants of hers' demand the return of Clinton. I honestly do not want the first woman president to say she is a 'feminist' while claiming the candidacy as a return to her husband, the husband that cheated on, lied to, and abused power to get ahead.
Oh, and there's also a new thing about election tampering, in giving a +3% edge for Clinton in New Hampshire (she won there by 2.5%) and massive voter fraud and from Nevada.
I believe in the NY primary I will be voting for Barak Obama.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 05:38:49 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  How serious is the chance that obama guy has

He seems like a total douchebag from the few times I've seen him speaking


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 21 06:34:41 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>How serious is the chance that obama guy has
>
>He seems like a total douchebag from the few times I've seen him speaking

Is a "douchebag" a good thing in Belgium or not? : )

He's an arcticulate speaker, intelligent, and about 100 times better than the douchebag we currently have in office IMO. However I don't have a lot of confidence at this point that the dems will nominate him to be their candidate. Unfortunately it looks like it will be Hillary (at this point), and I'm with Dan that it's time for a president outside of the Clinton-Bush family.
I think the only reason a woman or a black man have a good chance of winning here is that so many people are sick of what Dubya has done over the past 7 years, and that the republican candidates all have some type of serious flaw that upsets the conservative voters. A democrat may end up in the white house soley by default.
One thing I've learned over the years though is that trying to predict the minds of American voters is next to impossible to do.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 06:59:55 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://bp1.blogger.com/_JFt9kHzPJGI/Reioz5vsTlI/AAAAAAAAAKo/cisaqgwuKho/s1600/douchebag_realthing.jpg


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 07:00:46 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Damn it it wants people do download it

this one should work:
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u107/jamesrisser02/douchebag.jpg


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 08:08:42 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  And on a totally unrelated note:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=84140&in_page_id=2


 
DanSRose Posted: Mon Jan 21 09:18:35 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Currently, Hillary and Obama have about the same number of delegates. Obama has 38, Clinton 36, which is how the final candidate for the party is chosen. He has consistently been getting more delegates than her.
At the end, it cannot be her. Not if the Democratic party actually wants to win the 08 election. Mainly because populous, generally speaking, think that Hillary - and bare with me on this - is a cunt. They don't like her, they don't trust her, they see her want her to shut up. Her politics shift along with the crowd. Her voice grates. Women see her and see how she stayed with her cheating husband because she want to be president one day. Men see and hear her and see and hear their nagging wives. There is nothing genuine or caring about her. She 'cried' on TV and that is how she got a huge boost in her ratings.

Christophe- how exactly does Obama seem like a douchebag?


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 21 09:46:42 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  DanSRose said:

>Christophe- how exactly does Obama seem like a douchebag?

(raises hand) "I know..I KNOW!!!!"
Ummm...because he's American, and he has past ties with Islam?

: )

Dan, I think you go a little too far on the Hillary hatred issue, but I do know where you're coming from.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 10:32:37 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Well, I have a natural aversion towards people who smile all the time. Can't be trusted.

I hear that he's getting a lot of support for wanting to dramaticly expand welfare, more reason not to trust him because basicly that's buying votes with money that isn't his.

I've read a little bit about his ideas on how taxes should be adjusted, and I didn't like what I was reading. Again extremely populistic and, to me as somebody with at least a clue I dare say on how taxes work and translate for an entire economy even though I'm not as informed about the US system, shortsighted.

He wrote a book titled "the audacity of hope". Dodgy.

Also, he's black, I seriously doubt whether a black guy as US president at this point in time would be a good idea, both for the US and also the EU (which ofcourse doesn't concern US voters, just adding it to be complete).



All in all, the idea I get from the guy is that he's a rich guy posing as a loveable socialist who plays the masses.

There's nothing rich with being rich and playing the masses, but there's something wrong with acting like a jovial socialist while you're at it.

I know his type, we have them here too, the "academic socialists" who don't see beyond the theory of the ideas they're distributing among the masses who dumb it down a few more notches themselves.



All in all I think the democrats made a bad move in selecting hillary and obama because both basicly are pulling votes from distinct groups, obama from blacks and immigrants, hillary from the feminazi's. Either way the story ends when they win (and there's little doubt in my mind at least that they will) it'll backlash.


 
DanSRose Posted: Mon Jan 21 10:35:17 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  It may be a personal thing, or it may be since she came into the Senate, even before I voted for her (only for reelection, as I was 17 for her first senatorial election), she behaved as she was/is running for president and didn't actually give anything back to the state, even after the 9-11's attacked New York and destroyed Manhattan, kicking the Statue of Liberty's head into Midtown (Awesome. Movie.)
That said, the voter fraud and election tampering should stop people with the support.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 10:35:53 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I also feel like both of them were pushed way too hard in extremely large part to obama being black and hillary being a woman.

It's way too much of a coïncidence that the 2 remaining candidates are a black guy and a woman, and either way openmindedness will be forced down people's throats and they won't like it.

Typical of socialists to go ahead and do it anyway though, and then act all surprised afterwards.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 10:38:46 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Excuse my bad grammar and incoherent sentences, I'm exhaused because of the exams, but I'll be back more eloquent than ever afterwards! ;o)


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 21 16:28:31 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm not gonna comment on your U.S. election thoughts...it wouldn't do any good anyway : )

Hang in there with your exams though. I remember how mentally exhausting they can be...a long long time ago.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 21 16:31:28 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  By all means comment on them, it's why I started the thread and as I said up to this point I'm not really informed about it and just going by "gut feeling" and very limited info


 
Mesh Posted: Thu Jan 24 03:39:01 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  From a political thread-


"My friend said this today. I want to explain this: my friend is 23. She attends New York University School of Law. She's very smart. She said she was voting for Hillary for three reasons:

1) She's a woman, and that "would be awesome".
2) She has so much experience.
3) Bill will be there, so its ok.

Oh, and she hasn't watched any debates and basically pays no attention to politics."


God Damnit.


"Bill Clinton for President.

If I have to support Hillary to get Bill back...so be it."

God Damnit.


And one I heard in line at the bank today between a guy and who I assume was his girlfriend?:

Girl- "Well I'm voting for Hilary because she is a woman and it's about time we have a woman for President...."

Guy:- "What? What do you actually know about her?"

Girl:-"Nothing, but I think it would be cool to have a woman President, and plus like wasn't Bill Clinton a good President anyways?"

Double God Damnit.







 
FN Posted: Thu Jan 24 05:57:18 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Yeah, democracy sucks ass that way, the masses are too stupid to know what's good for them


 
addi Posted: Thu Jan 24 05:59:30 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I just knew we'd regret passing the 19th Amendment.

gahdam Pussycats!

: )


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Jan 24 08:24:51 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Yeah, democracy sucks ass that way, the masses are too stupid to know what's good for them
>
What you say appears to be true, yet it still seems to work for us.


 
FN Posted: Thu Jan 24 10:26:43 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Ofcourse, democracy in the end is the lesser of evils most of the time


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Jan 24 11:10:40 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Ofcourse, democracy in the end is the lesser of evils most of the time
>
I love democracy, capitalism, and nekkid womens.
:-)


 
FN Posted: Thu Jan 24 11:20:49 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'll heartily raise a glass to that

Here here!


 
addi Posted: Thu Jan 24 12:29:37 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Democracy only works when the masses happen to agree with your views. When you find yourself in the minority it sucks.
It worded in 1992 and '96.
It failed in 2000 and '04

: )


 
addi Posted: Thu Jan 24 12:32:02 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:

>It worded in 1992 and '96.

worked

pardon moi



 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Jan 24 13:14:17 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>Democracy only works when the masses happen to agree with your views. When you find yourself in the minority it sucks.
>It worded in 1992 and '96.
>It failed in 2000 and '04
>
>: )
In my lifetime I like to think the only time it really failed was the election of Jimmuh Carter, and that mistake was corrected as soon as possible.

As much as I might dislike certain elected officials, I do recognize the importance of the views of everyone and also realize that if any particular party got total control it would probably result in total disaster.


 
addi Posted: Thu Jan 24 14:27:04 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>I do recognize the importance of the views of everyone and also realize that if any particular party got total control it would probably result in total disaster.

You mean like when the congress was controlled by the Republican party and we had a Republican president in office at the same time?
I know what you mean, hiffer...total disaster.
: )


 
Mesh Posted: Thu Jan 24 16:23:54 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  My favourite is the people who think that world leaders and politicians and bankers and newsanchors and the like are all reptillian aliens who are taking over the world and enslaving the human species.

I wonder who they're going to vote for!


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Jan 24 16:29:18 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>I do recognize the importance of the views of everyone and also realize that if any particular party got total control it would probably result in total disaster.
>
>You mean like when the congress was controlled by the Republican party and we had a Republican president in office at the same time?
>I know what you mean, hiffer...total disaster.
>: )
No because having a simple majority doesn't mean you have total control in our government. The party in minority still wields a lot of power unless the majority is overwhelming, which has not been the case. I'm sure you're aware of this now as the majorities in congress and the senate have failed to produce anything at all except bullshit.
Don't you just love Madame speaker and Mr. Reid ?


 
addi Posted: Thu Jan 24 17:52:35 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  well then what the heck did you mean by "total control"?! every last seat in both houses held by the same party?
Yeah...like that's ever going to happen.
It seemed quite logical to assume control meant a majority in congress with a standing prez of the same party. I guess not though.

And many of the Dems do dissapoint me (Madame Speaker and Reid included). At the moment I don't really have a lot of faith in either major party to be honest, it's just that I see any of the Dems running as the lesser of two incompetant parties, and a critical breath of fresh air this country needs.
(except for Hillary..I see her as continuing the status quo to a large extent).

*I came to a shocking realization though today. No one here, and no one in the entire world really gives a flying fuck what my opinion is on politics, except my dog, and I think he only acts interested to get a dog treat.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Jan 24 18:38:35 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>well then what the heck did you mean by "total control"?! every last seat in both houses held by the same party?
>Yeah...like that's ever going to happen.
>It seemed quite logical to assume control meant a majority in congress with a standing prez of the same party. I guess not though.
>
>And many of the Dems do dissapoint me (Madame Speaker and Reid included). At the moment I don't really have a lot of faith in either major party to be honest, it's just that I see any of the Dems running as the lesser of two incompetant parties, and a critical breath of fresh air this country needs.
>(except for Hillary..I see her as continuing the status quo to a large extent).
>
>*I came to a shocking realization though today. No one here, and no one in the entire world really gives a flying fuck what my opinion is on politics, except my dog, and I think he only acts interested to get a dog treat.
>
Well it's not total control unless the minority has no power, so the majority would have to be overwhelming, not just a simple majority.
I was thinking along the lines of the idealist that would like to have 100% percent of both houses and the prez to be of one party. There are a lot of zanies out there that think that way.

As far as your opinions on politics, I'm always interested in what you think because although I disagree with you most of the time, I do respect your intelligence and insights. We both want the same things, we just have different ideas about how to get them.

It's just that you know so many things that just aren't so.
:-)


 
Mesh Posted: Thu Jan 24 20:04:37 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm interested in everyones politics on here! Except maybe my own.

I just don't ever try to really take part in discussion because I my attention span just won't allow for it. In real life where I can actually engage and my thoughts come out as quickly as I can say them, sure. But online, no way Jose. Also, I'm dumb. Well, compared to you guys, anyways. I'm infinitely superior in intelligence to a lot of dunderheads out there.


 
sweet p Posted: Tue Feb 5 20:41:06 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  thinking about this election sends shivers down my spine. not being american changes things for me because i feel like i am just watching things from the outside and can't do much about anything but will be affected by the outcome nonetheless.
i feel like this will be one of the most important elections i will witness in my lifetime. bush was an important one, but in that case i felt that it was really just war&bush vs. not. i can't say that i know a lot about the candidates this time around but i can say that romney and his silly-putty face freak me out.
also, it seems that the pretty people[??] are backin obama: http://www.dipdive.com/
i liked the song.


 
addi Posted: Tue Feb 5 21:27:20 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  sweet p said:

>also, it seems that the pretty people[??] are backin obama:


I voted for him today. Does that make me pretty?



 



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