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choke Posted: Tue Mar 25 20:55:46 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Especially after an absence! And then there's always the vague feeling of hurt if it only lasts a post or two :p

I've been catching up on about 3 months of stuff and have written and deleted posts on many threads because I am chickeeeeeeeeeen!

Golly when did I start caring.

There's a few old/new people back!

How is everyone?

This site is blocked from all the computers at university. The one I'm at now is Massey, which is mainly a vet/science uni so everyone studies real hard and forum/trading sites are banned. I'm still doing media and english though, so I get to pottle along :)

Easter break at the moment. Looking after my grandma, who has gotten a little senile and is losing her sight. In payment I get to raid the pantry :D

I have a lot of spare time because I injured my knee awhile ago, (have you guys ever been in one of those scary corn mazes after dark where they have actors to jump out at you?) I got seperated from the pack by two chainsaw guys and they chased me by myself all through the maze until I tried to jump over a chainsaw, got hit in the leg and whilst regaining my balance injured a ligament.

So I haven't been able to get a job between classes, so I have been looking for hobbies. So far I have a sketchpad and a harmonica.

Oh yeah MattJ I wanted to ask you about screenwriting and stuff! I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to ask, but the more media I do the more I want to do! Probably more like advertising scripts though. Because I don't mind losing my soul and I like money.

I've been with my boyfriend nearly a year, but we are doing the longish distance thing as of February which has proved a little troublesome. But only a little.

Um. I don't know. I guess I just wanted to see how you all were doing :)


 
addi Posted: Tue Mar 25 21:50:21 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  choke said:
>Especially after an absence! And then there's always the vague feeling of hurt if it only lasts a post or two :p

I'd like to make a long reply to this and say all sorts of wonderful things about you, but I'm afraid you did your DBFing and are long gone by now...so you won't be back until 4 months from now and by then this thread will be long since buried and you won't see it anyway.
So I won't


 
choke Posted: Tue Mar 25 21:57:21 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I would have looked it up :P I always do! I research thoroughly everytime I come back so I'm an informed DBFer if nothing else! :D


 
choke Posted: Tue Mar 25 22:02:29 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Oh and I was going to ask, what are the other links to this site? I heard there were some but I don't know if it's true or if they will work but I'm gunna try!


 
choke Posted: Tue Mar 25 22:05:26 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Lol I'm so sucking up.


 
sweet p Posted: Tue Mar 25 23:54:19 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  hi hi hi hi
i am quite fond of the harmonica.
hope your knee feels better soon. i don't like mazes in the daytime so i suspect i'd like them much less at night, whilst being chased by chainsaw psychos.
nice to see you around.


 
libra Posted: Wed Mar 26 01:04:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hi!

Don't feel bad for making a new thread!!


 
Mesh Posted: Wed Mar 26 02:09:03 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  buyakidney.com


 
mat_j Posted: Wed Mar 26 09:04:34 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
 

>Oh yeah MattJ I wanted to ask you about screenwriting and stuff! I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to ask, but the more media I do the more I want to do! Probably more like advertising scripts though. Because I don't mind losing my soul and I like money.
>

Sure thing C-bone,
If you don't mind schilling (like former GTer Paulo) you should try corporate and training screenwriting. There's usually stuff on the net. join a filmmaking website like www.Mandy.com that will have jobs for writers.

There's a lot of companies in the Middle East, e.g. Dubai who will pay you cash for a script, they usually give you a brief, it's not too taxing so the risk is low. the only drawback about any script writing work is you are probably gonna have to be self employed, which i'm sure you can get sorted out.

Ask Mr Marroon too, he might have some pointers.

Below is a beginers guide. it is long, i apologise to everyone else for taking up so much thread!


 
mat_j Posted: Wed Mar 26 09:05:07 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  General script writing advise i recommend you follow.

-Get a few copies of scripts from places like IMSDB.com or drews script-o-rama, to get an idea of how to format things properly. You hear horror stories from within the industry where people who don't right justify the 'cut to' at the end of a scene get their scripts rejected without reading because reading a script is an awkward thing to do anyway without having people who don't justify their dialogie or leave out Day/Night on headings. The main reason for it is timing, scripts are like they are to try and keep things to a minute a page, deviation can alter this and make things awkward to film.

-Best advise i can offer is to buy a good script writing book. In the UK there's a series called 'Teach Yourself' who do a screenwriting guide by a guy named Ray Frensham that i recommend. It's not Britcentric and shows you how to do things to the Hollywood system (which is pretty much the global system). If not there are thousands of these things on the shelf. Make sure it tells you how to format correctly, that's the minumum you are going to need to get started.

-Practice makes perfect. Dive in the deep end by all means, some people can just start by doing whatever they want to and get away with it, these people are called bastards.
The rest of us will have to try hard and eventually get there. Start by writing 2-3 page scripts, base them around jokes or anecdotes and make them as original as possible. Remember that in a short script you need a bit of a punchline at the end to make it worthwhile so don't blow your wad on line 2.
From there go onto 10 page (10 minute) scripts, these are standard short film formats that festivals accept, stick to no more than 4 main characters, keep it simple. Short films need to pack a big punch to get their message across, a good strong ending will help this, everybody loves to make comedy and horror but if you can do a 10 minute drama the powers that be will love you all the more.
If shorts are not your thing (i enjoy writing them but hate seeing them) just go straight to pilots or films. Pilots are slipperly beasts, UK has different rules to rest of world on these so i'm not much help here, just remember 1 page = 1 minute and take note how many ads there are per 1 hour on shows you think your script could go toe to toe with.
Despite the dissertation sized amount of work that goes into writing a feature (90-120 minutes) they are usually the most fun to write (when not writing to deadlines!!!) You can really explore your characters and world.

Basic rules of feature writing (some also apply to above)

Hook- Have something in the first 2-3 pages that you can come back to in the end to bring the story full circle(like Josh Hartnet in Sin City or the old man on the rail cart in Oh Brother Where art thou)

ACT 1- 1st quarter of the story where you set up whatís happening (15 pages in a 90 minutes script) and establish the world as it is.

Inciting incident- Somewhere in act 1 usually about halfway through. The thing that starts your story (eg Juno getting pregnant, Indiana Jones discovering his artefact, detective getting case in crime and hardboiled fiction)

1st Turning point- The first major obstacle you character has to overcome, eg- film about a band maybe the band have a falling out after a bad gig that was their inciting incident, this underlines the inciting incident.

ACT 2 the middle of the scipt usually takes up half of s film (16-75 in a 90 minute script) This is where stuff happens, everything set up in act 1 plays out and gets people into increasing trouble.

Act 2 has 4 major events
Focus point 1 about a quarter of the way into act 2, just take the story back to the main plot at this point as a reminder to audience whatís going on.
Point of no return- halfway through Act 2/whole script- as it sounds, do something that means the protagonist cannot go back to the situation they were in before without being changed.
Focus point 2 ĺ of the way into Act 2 same as focus point 1.

2nd Turning point (TP2). Some bad happens here, worse than in TP1 or the Point of no return. The heroes biggest challenger yet.

ACT 3 Resolution, the last 15 pages of a 90 minute script Everything comes to a head after TP2, there are two things needed in this act Climax and resolution.

Climax the script about a 1/3 of the way through this act, e.g. the Death Star is blown up in Star Wars, Juno decides to give baby to Jennifer Garner, the remainder of the story is how life has returned to normal/changed after the protagonists adventure.




Golden Rules

***Drama=conflict, if nobody fights physically, or emotionally then there is no story***

99% of films are 3 acts thatís why there is a 3 act structure as standard, even longer films adhere to this, the only person I can think of who doesnít is Scorcese (and I could still be proven wrong on this) and he directs his own movies so just plain donít thereís no point in doing it.

Plot= the things that happen in a story eg Band form, band go on tour, band breaks up, band reform

Story= The things that connect the plot together eg he meets her, they fight with someone else.

Sub plot= Other things that are happening. Each Character will have their own journey like Paulie Bleeker in Juno wants to get back with Juno or Han Solo wants to get money to stop jabba killing him, these are important to making the plot interesting. Sometimes they can cross over with the main plot. EG Hanís initial journey in Starwars is to get money but that brings him into contact with Luke and Obi Wan who have their own journey.

Emotional Plot= The real story, what the message behind the film is, even if you come from the school of thought who think films should be exactly what is seen on screen you will always have this behind the story, itís basically what you want to say through the characters.

Formatting is very important study online scripts to see what they look like, beware some scripts you buy from bookshops as they can have incorrect font (always use Courier for scripts) and sizing making them less useful.



 
mat_j Posted: Wed Mar 26 09:06:08 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  That's used up all my lunch so i'd better get back to it now.

I enjoyed writing that!


 
mat_j Posted: Wed Mar 26 09:10:14 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  also when i said 90-120 minutes i mean a feature not a dissertation. that would be silly!


 
addi Posted: Wed Mar 26 14:16:47 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  it really pains me to say this, but...
you're a nice guy mat_j


 
Kira Posted: Wed Mar 26 18:41:24 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm actually disappointed. I was thinking for the past 3-4 days about writing you to see how you were, and now I don't get to!

I mean, COOL! You're back temporarily maybe! Hi!

www.cigarettesandcigars.com is another one. I seem to be drawing a blank on the rest right now.


 
choke Posted: Wed Mar 26 22:47:25 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Wow, thanks Matt! And all you others :D


 
mat_j Posted: Thu Mar 27 04:26:02 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>it really pains me to say this, but...
>you're a nice guy mat_j

Awww you're a sweetie Addi, but really, i just like waffling on about things i know about.


 
choke Posted: Thu Apr 3 02:21:46 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Kira said:
>
>I mean, COOL! You're back temporarily maybe! Hi!
>

hah, I'm back during semester now as well! :D I found if i go through google I can get on. Which is weird. We can pretend like an email! How are you?


 
Kira Posted: Thu Apr 3 18:09:03 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  choke said:
>
>hah, I'm back during semester now as well! :D I found if i go through google I can get on. Which is weird. We can pretend like an email! How are you?

That is weird, but good to hear. I'm doing fine, working hard, both over where they pay me for it and here at home, where no one pays me, but I have more fun. Having bizarre spring weather right now and disappointed it was too cold and wet to go to our local renaissance fair last weekend.

Sorry about your knee, I hope it doesn't pain you too much. So I gather you're not working at that chocolate shop anymore? I seem to recall you had a cool job along those lines.


 
choke Posted: Thu Apr 3 18:58:12 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Kira said:
>
>That is weird, but good to hear. I'm doing fine, working hard, both over where they pay me for it and here at home, where no one pays me, but I have more fun. Having bizarre spring weather right now and disappointed it was too cold and wet to go to our local renaissance fair last weekend.
>
>Sorry about your knee, I hope it doesn't pain you too much. So I gather you're not working at that chocolate shop anymore? I seem to recall you had a cool job along those lines.

Yeah the chocolate shop is only a summer job, which is okay by me because it actually got boring quickly! I guess even something like chocolate can lose its specialness over time.

We are coming into Autumn now, so it's time for me to get my head down at school. It's not too bad, but I'm already planning on heading to Australia asap.

The knee is better, thank goodness! Now I have to find a job. Ick.


 
Kira Posted: Thu Apr 3 22:07:04 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  choke said:
>
>Yeah the chocolate shop is only a summer job, which is okay by me because it actually got boring quickly! I guess even something like chocolate can lose its specialness over time.
>
>We are coming into Autumn now, so it's time for me to get my head down at school. It's not too bad, but I'm already planning on heading to Australia asap.
>
>The knee is better, thank goodness! Now I have to find a job. Ick.

Ah well. One tends to prefer work to being injured, though, right? My brother's going through that right now, he broke his foot running into a car and hasn't been able to get out much. Going back to work next week, I think.

How cold does it get in Australia during Autumn/Winter? I never thought about it before.


 
choke Posted: Thu Apr 3 23:34:33 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Kira said:
>
>Ah well. One tends to prefer work to being injured, though, right? My brother's going through that right now, he broke his foot running into a car and hasn't been able to get out much. Going back to work next week, I think.
>
>How cold does it get in Australia during Autumn/Winter? I never thought about it before.

Yes I would rather be working. It's usually between -3C and 5C, but it can get as cold as -8C and probably colder in the south island! I have no idea what that is in F though. We don't usually get snow in the north but it's frosty and hailey and miserable a lot of the time :p But just to prove me wrong today the sun is out.


 



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