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Ahriman Posted: Wed Oct 29 00:20:01 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  http://www.demonbaby.com/election08/

This should help you decide.


 
Mark Posted: Wed Oct 29 02:20:50 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I wish I didn't see that... omg, that's going to give me nightmares


 
libra Posted: Wed Oct 29 03:12:58 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ewwwwwwwwwww


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 29 06:59:23 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  And this is equally as helpful.


http://www.heptune.com/farts.html


 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 29 07:27:46 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Redistribution ?

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign the read “Vote
Obama, I need the money.” I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a “Obama 08" tie, again I
laughed–just imagine the coincidence.

Suddenly, it hit me. An experiment is in order.

I asked the server, did he really believe that Obama's platform was a good one? Yes, he did.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
tip to someone who I deemed more in need – the homeless guy outside. The
server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10, and told him to thank the server
inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was
grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter
was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn, even though the
actual recipient needed the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept
than in practical application - at least if it is your wealth that is being redistributed.


 
addi Posted: Wed Oct 29 09:24:49 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm concerned about you, hiffer ol' buddy ol' pal. There's a very good chance that come November 5th you're going to have to deal with the reality of that having that stinkin' socialist running the country.

My suggestions to help:
1. Build a moat around the house and fill it with ill-tempered, laser-wielding Sea Bass.
2. Outside of that build a fortress wall with hundreds of sand bags.
3. Get a ham radio so you can communicate with Rush after you barricade yourself inside the home (it helps to have a kindred soul to vent with).
4. Stock up on weapons and ammo. When the Obamanites come to redistribute all your personal wealth you'll be prepared to defend yourself.
5. If you're on a tight budget and none of the above is feasible just run down to the local pharmacy and ask for the "blue pill". It'll take you to that wonderful state of ignorant bliss.

; )



 
ifihadahif Posted: Wed Oct 29 10:10:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'm not nearly as worried about Barry getting elected as I am about Pelosi and Reid and the power they will have.

But whatever happens, I'm sure that I'll be fine when my $1000 check arrives in the mail.


 
FN Posted: Thu Oct 30 15:02:01 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
>tip to someone who I deemed more in need – the homeless guy outside. The
>server angrily stormed from my sight.

Hif, have you ever read The Road To Serfdom by Friederick August von Hayek?

If there's 1 more book you'll ever read in your life it has to be that one. As far as I'm concerned it's the holy book of the few last stragglers who believe in actual freedom and actual responsibility.


http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Routledge-Classics-S/dp/0415253896/ref=ed_oe_p



Honestly, if you haven't done so yet, read it, and fight socialism with a vengeance.


 
FN Posted: Thu Oct 30 15:03:10 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Friederick

Friedrich


 
ifihadahif Posted: Thu Oct 30 17:52:48 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>
>If there's 1 more book you'll ever read in your life it has to be that one. As far as I'm concerned it's the holy book of the few last stragglers who believe in actual freedom and actual responsibility.
>
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Routledge-Classics-S/dp/0415253896/ref=ed_oe_p
>
>
>
>Honestly, if you haven't done so yet, read it, and fight socialism with a vengeance.
>
I'm already fighting it with a vengeance, but as Americans get fatter and lazier, they seem to think it's the responsibility of the government to provide for their well-being.

Obama is going to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans, even though 30 percent don't pay any taxes. You do the math on that one.
He's going to send everyone a $1000 bucks and call it a tax cut. HA !
Tax cut my ass, if you aren't paying any taxes now, then it becomes a welfare paycheck.
He has never done anything in his life to show he's capable of running anything. Hell he's actually spent more time running for prez than he spent as a senator. Duh ?
They just found his aunt Zeituni, the one he wrote so endearinly about in his book Dreams from my Father. She lives in a Boston slum. Nice eh ?
She told reporters she couldn't talk to them now, but after election day she would be able to speak. WFT ?
Bet you won't find that on any of the mainstream media outlets.


 
addi Posted: Thu Oct 30 22:18:14 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I'd like to feel a little pity for you conservatives come Nov 5th..
but Jesus help me I just can't muster any up.
Perhaps our next president, the Black Arab Socialist Boogie man, can muster some up for ya'll. He's a better man than I.


 
FN Posted: Fri Oct 31 05:49:53 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  >He's going to send everyone a $1000 bucks and call it a tax cut.

Sounds like buying votes with money that isn't yours to me.


 
FN Posted: Fri Oct 31 05:52:16 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>>He's going to send everyone a $1000 bucks and call it a tax cut.
>
>Sounds like buying votes with money that isn't yours to me.

Also, as far as I've seen there's 2 reasons why most people seem to be voting for obama, 1 is because he's black, the other is because they're greedy and think he'll give them stuff for free.


The guy's so overhyped, even around here, and from what I gather a lot of people are actually turning the guy into a worshipped idol of the obama cult. I'll be interested in seeing what happens when in 4 or 8 years from now those same people will start bitching aout how apparantly he wasn't the 2nd coming of christ.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Oct 31 06:23:37 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:

>Perhaps our next president, the Black Arab Socialist Boogie man, can muster some up for ya'll. He's a better man than I.
>
Pity is not necessary. He hasn't won yet, and even if he does, it will be with less than 50% of the votes.
And he's not a better man than you, he's not better than anyone.


 
Posted: Fri Oct 31 18:37:29 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>Pity is not necessary. He hasn't won yet, and even if he does, it will be with less than 50% of the votes.

I won't defend politicians, but I will defend statistics.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

1.82% chance that Obama wins the election but loses the popular vote.


 
addi Posted: Fri Oct 31 19:28:00 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe should stick to Euro politics. When he starts talking about what's going on here he sounds like a Palin supporter...clueless.

Hif, I refuse to get into detailed responses concerning your statements..we both know it's a dead end road.
If Barack wins (looks like a good chance at the moment, but anything could happen) then the bitter conservatives will have no one to blame except Bush, his advisors on the McCain campaign staff, and McCain himself for shooting himself in the foot so many damn times that he lost to a black democrat with a couple of years of experience in the senate. Don't be fooled that the majority of americans have suddenly become blind to skin color. McCain's choice to stop being the John McCain of 2000 did him in.
That and choosing a total dimwit as his running mate.

Happy Halloween Ya'll : )


 
FN Posted: Fri Oct 31 19:58:08 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>Christophe should stick to Euro politics. When he starts talking about what's going on here he sounds like a Palin supporter...clueless.

Not per se, living in a country with socialist-dominated media I get obama shoved down my throat as the new messiah on a daily basis as well.

Promising to give everybody 1000$ is populism and *buying* votes, no matter what kind of spin you put on that one.

I've called BS on republican stuff here multiple times as well, I didn't hear anybody calling foul on those things, so I don't see why when I call BS on democrat stuff I should stick to euro politics.

"spread the wealth around", that's pretty socialist where I'm coming from.


So anyway, in the news here the coverage is about (I'm not kidding) 95% obama, it's like he's actually already elected and all, and 5%, if even that, honestly, mccain.

Make no mistake here, I'm not saying I like mccain enough to see the guy as capable of keeping america in its seat at this point in time; which is something that worries me because I personally and in all honesty want a very strong america in all respects for a whole series of reasons. mccain is a dumbass and about as fit for the job as bush was from my point of view, which says enough. I'm not a flat-out bush hater either, I just think it's unlikely that there aren't more capable people around to be the US president.

But not liking or thinking mccain is capable enough doesn't automaticly mean that obama is the one to go after either, that's the problem with a 2 party system, it's choosing between cholera and the plague.


obama is a populist, a part of his popularity comes from people who'd vote democrat even if the candidate was a purple pineapple, another part of his popularity is based on him being black and it being cool to be openminded and vote for the black guy. That's the reality of it. That's ok, the problem is all non-white people almost by default vote for obama as well. Can you blame them? Most of them probably not, but that doesn't change anything about that. The final part of his popularity is because he makes vague and populist promises about how he'll get the money where it's at, which is always music to the ears of the commoners who'll take any excuse as good enough to do some old fasioned legal looting.

So when here you see interviews with americans on the street (or on various news sites), showing things always extremely rosy for obama and barely mentioning mccain in the end, usually without even a second of an image of him, and people get interviewed it's either "he'll change my life (give me money I didn't do anything for)" or "I don't know anything about him but he's black like me".


So yeah, he's overhyped to an iPhone level, and people buy him and even when he turns out to be a storm in a glass of water they'll have a hard time admitting it because they invested so much time and effort into it. It's absurd, it's marketing.


 
FN Posted: Fri Oct 31 20:12:27 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  How many black people do you know who wouldn't vote for obama?

It isn't racist because they're black to start with?


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Oct 31 20:15:36 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>Christophe should stick to Euro politics. When he starts talking about what's going on here he sounds like a Palin supporter...clueless.
>
>Hif, I refuse to get into detailed responses concerning your statements..we both know it's a dead end road.
>If Barack wins (looks like a good chance at the moment, but anything could happen) then the bitter conservatives will have no one to blame except Bush, his advisors on the McCain campaign staff, and McCain himself for shooting himself in the foot so many damn times that he lost to a black democrat with a couple of years of experience in the senate. Don't be fooled that the majority of americans have suddenly become blind to skin color. McCain's choice to stop being the John McCain of 2000 did him in.
>That and choosing a total dimwit as his running mate.
>
>Happy Halloween Ya'll : )
>
I absolutely don't see race as a significant issue here. Most Americans don't really see Obama as black. At least not black like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
I think if McCain loses it will be because he wasn't nasty enough to go after Rev. Wright. For some reason he declared him off limits to his staff.

As for Palin, I will support her run for the White House in four years.
I think she's great !


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Oct 31 21:29:20 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Oh by the way, the following info by itself gives her more juice than Barry.

Question: Where is America 's first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?

Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard.



Question: Which is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?

Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard



Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska



Question: Which U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska



Question: Which U.S. governor has a higher security clearance than anyone else in the Democratic Party ?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska



OH I THOUGHT SHE WAS JUST A HOCKEY MOM.


 
DanSRose Posted: Sat Nov 1 04:46:45 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  The $1000 per family stimulus check (which is $500 for an individual) would be from windfall profits taxed from oil companies, who are generally known for raping the public because they can. It would come in conjunction with $25 billion to the states so they wouldn't need to cut programs like health stuff, housing, and education and $25 billion to the highways and bridges and roads and interstates and even physically crumbling schools.
A New Deal-like proposal that would both create construction and repair infrastructure, all while the public, state, local and the federal government become better? What the hell man!

I personally LOVE McCain's education plan, which he apparently made on the spot in the 3rd debate, of sending untrained people (mostly veterans, fresh from the battlefields) straight into the classrooms as teachers. Because there is no training needed to be a teacher. None. You just need a textbook and chalkboard (chalk not included, as the little he's said about education, historically, he's cut book-learnin while a senator). Also, his need to privatize education and help build public education is weird and disturbing.

And the BS about Palin: When her National Guard battalion is fighting forest fires or doing emergency rescues in Alaska and its waters, she is its commander in chief. When they are deployed to a foreign nation, her responsibility as a Freedom Fighter is about dick. A responsibility to protect America from foreign invaders does not fall in the job description of 'governor', because it doesn't.


 
addi Posted: Sat Nov 1 06:02:35 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Gentlemen...
I love you both...sincerely

You are both wrong.
Christophe: If Barack wins he'll be a much better president for Europeans. You'll have to trust me on that.

Hiffer: I've been over and over all this stuff ad nauseum on another forum. It's all bullshit. It all boils down to grabbing at straws for the Republicans because they've been in power for so long that the reality of losing the big one is making them desperate.
I've (and millions of others) have had to put up with this corrupt incompetant dangerous pres and staff for the past 8 years. I don't feel sorry for any McCain supporter.
Suck it up and deal with it...it's the patriotic thing to do.
: )


 
FN Posted: Sat Nov 1 08:27:11 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>Christophe: If Barack wins he'll be a much better president for Europeans. You'll have to trust me on that.

That's not what I was denying, I haven't said that 1 is better than the other, I say they both suck but for different reasons and that when I called BS on bush I didn't hear anybody saying I should stick to euro politics because I'm clueless, so I really don't see why that turns 180° when I take a look at democrat side of things.


 
FN Posted: Sat Nov 1 08:28:52 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>addi said:
>>Christophe: If Barack wins he'll be a much better president for Europeans. You'll have to trust me on that.

And it's also what I said about why people are voting for obama: he's a populist and it's also why he's so popular in europe. It's pure greed, they aren't looking at what's best for their country and they don't want to hear the reality and the tough stuff that comes with it, they want to hear about free money.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sat Nov 1 10:16:37 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  DanSRose said:
>The $1000 per family stimulus check (which is $500 for an individual) would be from windfall profits taxed from oil companies, who are generally known for raping the public because they can. It would come in conjunction with $25 billion to the states so they wouldn't need to cut programs like health stuff, housing, and education and $25 billion to the highways and bridges and roads and interstates and even physically crumbling schools.
>A New Deal-like proposal that would both create construction and repair infrastructure, all while the public, state, local and the federal government become better? What the hell man!
>
Pie in the sky !
He's gonna raise your taxes to pay for all this, regardless of what he says.
I'll bet you believed Clinton when he said he would lower taxes.
As a matter of fact, can you name the last democrat that lowered taxes ? They just don't do that on the left.
Why in the world would you want a New Deal like proposal anyway ? The last one only prolonged the depression of the 30's.

>I personally LOVE McCain's education plan, which he apparently made on the spot in the 3rd debate, of sending untrained people (mostly veterans, fresh from the battlefields) straight into the classrooms as teachers. Because there is no training needed to be a teacher. None. You just need a textbook and chalkboard (chalk not included, as the little he's said about education, historically, he's cut book-learnin while a senator). Also, his need to privatize education and help build public education is weird and disturbing.
>
He supports vouchers and so should you.

>And the BS about Palin: When her National Guard battalion is fighting forest fires or doing emergency rescues in Alaska and its waters, she is its commander in chief. When they are deployed to a foreign nation, her responsibility as a Freedom Fighter is about dick. A responsibility to protect America from foreign invaders does not fall in the job description of 'governor', because it doesn't.
>
And it still makes her more qualified to be president than Obama if you are basing it on experience.
Before you dismiss the fact that Sarah Palin is Commander of the Alaska National Guard consider this.
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.

As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.

Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska's proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don't even know about.According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.

She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

Now I would ask you, what has Obama ever done in his life that would indicate to you that he is capable of being president ?


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sat Nov 1 10:18:18 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>addi said:
>>Christophe: If Barack wins he'll be a much better president for Europeans. You'll have to trust me on that.
>
>That's not what I was denying, I haven't said that 1 is better than the other, I say they both suck but for different reasons and that when I called BS on bush I didn't hear anybody saying I should stick to euro politics because I'm clueless, so I really don't see why that turns 180° when I take a look at democrat side of things.
>
Because the left doesn't believe in respectful disagreements.
The believe in silencing the opposition.
Hence the Fairness Doctrine.


 
DanSRose Posted: Sat Nov 1 17:06:03 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>He supports vouchers and so should you.

No. I can't.
School vouchers, on their best day, make a two-tiered school system- one for those who are "desirables", and the undesirables ones who are stuck at public school, the ones autism, or any LD, or the ones from "those" neighborhoods (black, I mean black neighborhoods). You would have piss poor (even more so) public schools where labeled kids won't even be given a shot to learn or make it.

Public schools can't be given shaft. Quite the opposite, they deserve to be built from ground up as cathedrals. No matter their ethnic background, race, economic status, or any physical or mental disability, kids simply because that's what they deserve.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sat Nov 1 19:01:07 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  DanSRose said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>He supports vouchers and so should you.
>
>No. I can't.
>School vouchers, on their best day, make a two-tiered school system- one for those who are "desirables", and the undesirables ones who are stuck at public school, the ones autism, or any LD, or the ones from "those" neighborhoods (black, I mean black neighborhoods). You would have piss poor (even more so) public schools where labeled kids won't even be given a shot to learn or make it.
>
>Public schools can't be given shaft. Quite the opposite, they deserve to be built from ground up as cathedrals. No matter their ethnic background, race, economic status, or any physical or mental disability, kids simply because that's what they deserve.
>
I disagree.
Our schools are not failing, it's our culture that is failing.
We keep throwing money at the problem but that doesn't help if the kid's family doesn't value education.
Teachers can't teach anymore because they spend so much time dealing with behavior problems. They have no way to control these kids and the law says they have to teach them. Corporal punishment is not an option and the PC way of dealing with them is obviously not working.
If the child is sent to the office because of behavior, the office normally just sends them back to class in a short period of time and the problem just begins again. It takes a mountain of paperwork and most of the school year to force a transfer for even the worst children.
I've seen it over and over again, in every single school. The parents think school is a big box you put your kid in and an educated child is supposed to come out with no effort on the part of the parents.
This is patently unfair to the kids who want to learn and who's parents are willing to put some effort into the education of their children.
Many times, I've seen parents trying desperately to have their badly behaving child declared LD or ADD just so they can receive benefits from the govt. How fucked up is that ?
It has nothing to do with ethnicity or economics, it has everything to do with our culture.
We seem to have an epidemic of parents who have no desire to do any parenting.
Our public schools are nothing more than $12,000.00 a year daycares anymore.

Now you could take that $12000 and put it toward a private school no matter what your ethnicity or economic background and that would be fair to all children.
Sure, the behavior problems would be weeded out, but I still think that's fair. Then maybe the parents would start parenting.


 
addi Posted: Sun Nov 2 07:54:07 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>Because the left doesn't believe in respectful disagreements.
>The believe in silencing the opposition.

I'm not a rookie here. You and I go back a few years when it comes to political discussions. I know where you stand.
The mere fact that you have supported Bush's policies and think Palin's "great" implies respectful (or not) disagreements are impossible and fruitless with you, or with any other conservative believing the same way.

My decision not to engage in a point by point rebuttal of your political posts recently is based entirely on the absurd futility of trying to do so, and not because there isn't tons of factual information out there to post here. It always comes back to the same ol' thing; I say the sky is blue, you say no, it's red, and any amount of evidence I put forth to back up my observations won't make one iota of difference. I may have been a slow learner coming to this realization, but eventually I did learn. : )

We'll always remain good GT buds (I hope), and share the many things we have in common outside of political ideology...like music, many personal values, hot GT chicks, and......fuzzy tofu. ; )


 
ifihadahif Posted: Sun Nov 2 08:30:09 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addi said:
>ifihadahif said:
>
>>Because the left doesn't believe in respectful disagreements.
>>The believe in silencing the opposition.
>
>I'm not a rookie here. You and I go back a few years when it comes to political discussions. I know where you stand.
>The mere fact that you have supported Bush's policies and think Palin's "great" implies respectful (or not) disagreements are impossible and fruitless with you, or with any other conservative believing the same way.
>
>My decision not to engage in a point by point rebuttal of your political posts recently is based entirely on the absurd futility of trying to do so, and not because there isn't tons of factual information out there to post here. It always comes back to the same ol' thing; I say the sky is blue, you say no, it's red, and any amount of evidence I put forth to back up my observations won't make one iota of difference. I may have been a slow learner coming to this realization, but eventually I did learn. : )
>
Tomato, tom-ah-toe
This goes both ways dude.
As I see it, you ignore my evidence, much the same as you seem to think I ignore your evidence.
It's a dance that's been going on for over 200 years here, and will continue to go on for many more hopefully, because the alternative is not one that I relish.

>We'll always remain good GT buds (I hope), and share the many things we have in common outside of political ideology...like music, many personal values, hot GT chicks, and......fuzzy tofu. ; )
>
True true true !


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Nov 3 11:53:03 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Interesting, I checked AP, NBC, ABC, and CBS and not a word about this on any of them. It was on Fox and Drudge though.
Liberal bias anyone ?

http://www.wsaz.com/political/headlines/33726759.html


 
DanSRose Posted: Tue Nov 4 21:01:13 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  In related news, another media conspiracy?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3328480/Otto-the-octopus-wrecks-havoc.html



 
mat_j Posted: Wed Nov 5 04:02:06 2008 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Careful with all that bleating Hiffo and 'tophe Addi might start getting turned on.


 



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