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What the deuce?!
Aeon Posted: Wed Sep 2 16:19:42 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  This was taken from this article: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214

In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."

At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.

Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.

"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"


Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."

One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."


 
ifihadahif Posted: Fri Sep 4 10:28:03 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Yes, this is the culture that must be embraced by the whole world !


 
Aeon Posted: Sun Sep 6 18:23:53 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  How did i know that you would be the one to comment, Hif? Lol.


 
mat_j Posted: Tue Sep 8 09:01:52 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I haven't got time to research this at the moment so i'll just say this instead.


Christ, Mohammed, Moses and all the other delusionals are about as welcome in my world as a fart in a space suit.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Tue Sep 8 21:09:07 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  mat_j said:
>I haven't got time to research this at the moment so i'll just say this instead.
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>Christ, Mohammed, Moses and all the other delusionals are about as welcome in my world as a fart in a space suit.
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Personally, I prefer the term "fart in an elevator".


 
mat_j Posted: Sun Sep 13 10:34:41 2009 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>mat_j said:
>>I haven't got time to research this at the moment so i'll just say this instead.
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>>Christ, Mohammed, Moses and all the other delusionals are about as welcome in my world as a fart in a space suit.
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>Personally, I prefer the term "fart in an elevator".

It's better than one in the mouth eh.


 



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